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Specialist Multiple diagnoses for skinny pig

Boris and Steve

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Hi All,
It's my first time posting here but I've often scrolled the forum for guidance over the years.
I have 2 girl pigs, (Steve and Boris - yes we thought they were boys!) both will be 5years old in October.
Over the past few months Boris has lost weight to the point where you can feel all her bones, its been gradual and I thought it was initially because she was protesting for more tasty foods that she got to eat during the supermarket/covid19 problems. She would shout and beg even though we'd just put out fresh greens. She will eat tasty things like yellow peppers, grapes, tomatoes but not her healthy greens. Ive seen her eat thin bits of hay but she'll bite and then drop the chunky ones. I've also not seen her eat her dry pellets for atleast a week.
Because of this I've been seperating her from Steve during meal times to make sure she eats all her veg (she'll only eat yellow pepper or lettuce, green peppers for example are a no) however as you can imagine this lack of dry food has now affected her poos! Since doing this she is less bony but I know this diet is not healthy.
So... today we went to the vet and the vet has given me multiple possibilities. Dental, thyroid, ovarian cysts. He suggests we get her in for anaesthetic and at the same time they will xray, CT scan, take bloods and carry out the dental work if its required.
This sounds a lot for a little girl to go through, shes now only 750g. My task is to syringe feed Critical Care and give pain and anti inflammatory meds to build her strength ready for the op next week.
I wasnt allowed into the examination today because of social distancing and I was so stumped at the news that I'm not sure I took it all in properly.
I dont think he did a visual check on the back teeth and to me the front teeth look the same as they always have. The vet said the front look a little long so he'll assume the back teeth are as well. (This is an exotics vet).
The points supporting the thyroid theory is fur loss on the front of her arms, a small lump on her neck and the amount of weight shes lost. I can't feel the lump myself but then I'm no vet.
The theory of ovarian cysts is based on her age. No pain visible when she was examined with hands.
She's been yelping in pain on the regular these past 2 days, normally this happens when Steve's grooming her too furiously but twice I've seen her yelp when Steves nowhere near. Today I've heard her make quiet squeaks of pain whilst shes in my arms.
I know there's a lot of info here and not all may be relevent.
Am I doing the right thing putting her through sedation for all these investigations? Or should we just focus on the x rays for the teeth and during the same sedation carry out the work on the teeth (if needed)? I'm scared she won't make it through the op but if we dont do something she won't last much longer. It's a fine balance and I'm desperate to get it right for her.
Thank you in advance for any advice
x
 
It is very hard with all anaesthetics especially with piggies. In terms of an X-Ray, it is feasible and possible to take one without sedation - tho not always easy😂 as my boy had one recently at the weekend and was not sedated for it.
In terms of teeth, tho I haven’t yet had any dental issues with piggies when my rabbit had bad back teeth the nurse just stuck her fingers in and felt the ones at the back. It is possible to look at the back teeth or feel without an X-ray and again without sedation.
I would perhaps seek a second opinion if possible. Not saying the vets are incorrect because they could certainly be right, but I don’t think a sedation is absolutely needed without the other avenues being explored
 
Hi All,
It's my first time posting here but I've often scrolled the forum for guidance over the years.
I have 2 girl pigs, (Steve and Boris - yes we thought they were boys!) both will be 5years old in October.
Over the past few months Boris has lost weight to the point where you can feel all her bones, its been gradual and I thought it was initially because she was protesting for more tasty foods that she got to eat during the supermarket/covid19 problems. She would shout and beg even though we'd just put out fresh greens. She will eat tasty things like yellow peppers, grapes, tomatoes but not her healthy greens. Ive seen her eat thin bits of hay but she'll bite and then drop the chunky ones. I've also not seen her eat her dry pellets for atleast a week.
Because of this I've been seperating her from Steve during meal times to make sure she eats all her veg (she'll only eat yellow pepper or lettuce, green peppers for example are a no) however as you can imagine this lack of dry food has now affected her poos! Since doing this she is less bony but I know this diet is not healthy.
So... today we went to the vet and the vet has given me multiple possibilities. Dental, thyroid, ovarian cysts. He suggests we get her in for anaesthetic and at the same time they will xray, CT scan, take bloods and carry out the dental work if its required.
This sounds a lot for a little girl to go through, shes now only 750g. My task is to syringe feed Critical Care and give pain and anti inflammatory meds to build her strength ready for the op next week.
I wasnt allowed into the examination today because of social distancing and I was so stumped at the news that I'm not sure I took it all in properly.
I dont think he did a visual check on the back teeth and to me the front teeth look the same as they always have. The vet said the front look a little long so he'll assume the back teeth are as well. (This is an exotics vet).
The points supporting the thyroid theory is fur loss on the front of her arms, a small lump on her neck and the amount of weight shes lost. I can't feel the lump myself but then I'm no vet.
The theory of ovarian cysts is based on her age. No pain visible when she was examined with hands.
She's been yelping in pain on the regular these past 2 days, normally this happens when Steve's grooming her too furiously but twice I've seen her yelp when Steves nowhere near. Today I've heard her make quiet squeaks of pain whilst shes in my arms.
I know there's a lot of info here and not all may be relevent.
Am I doing the right thing putting her through sedation for all these investigations? Or should we just focus on the x rays for the teeth and during the same sedation carry out the work on the teeth (if needed)? I'm scared she won't make it through the op but if we dont do something she won't last much longer. It's a fine balance and I'm desperate to get it right for her.
Thank you in advance for any advice
x

Hi and welcome

Which country or UK county are located in? That could help us with any further advice. We have members and enquiries from all over the world.

Are you weighing her regularly and have stepped in with syringe feeding support to make up for potentially not eating enough hay fibre?

I am linking in other medically experienced people: @furryfriends (TEAS) @Piggies&buns @PigglePuggle @Abi_nurse
 
It is very hard with all anaesthetics especially with piggies. In terms of an X-Ray, it is feasible and possible to take one without sedation - tho not always easy😂 as my boy had one recently at the weekend and was not sedated for it.
In terms of teeth, tho I haven’t yet had any dental issues with piggies when my rabbit had bad back teeth the nurse just stuck her fingers in and felt the ones at the back. It is possible to look at the back teeth or feel without an X-ray and again without sedation.
I would perhaps seek a second opinion if possible. Not saying the vets are incorrect because they could certainly be right, but I don’t think a sedation is absolutely needed without the other avenues being explored
Thank you for your advice. I think I will push for a visual check of the teeth before they do any sedation. She's got such a small mouth i don't think anyones finger would fit in her tiny mouth! I had a try myself whilst syringe feeding today!
She's a wriggle bum so I'm not sure of the vet felt there was no hope in doing a visual check of the back teeth whilst she's awake.
 
Hi and welcome

Which country or UK county are located in? That could help us with any further advice. We have members and enquiries from all over the world.

Are you weighing her regularly and have stepped in with syringe feeding support to make up for potentially not eating enough hay fibre?

I am linking in other medically experienced people: @furryfriends (TEAS) @Piggies&buns @PigglePuggle @Abi_nurse
Hi,
I'm in the UK in the Midlands.

Yes I've been given the Critical Care syringe food and shes done a day and half so far. It's difficult and I'm struffling to get her to take it so I blended it with soggy pig nuggets to make it a more familiar taste. We managed 2 scoops of Critical care today but we've been recommended she needs 3 scoops so a way to go yet.
Her poos have improved though, they're larger and harder so I know we're on the right track.
I started weighing her yesterday, she's maintained over the last 24hrs.
I have noticed today she's alot quieter since starting pain killers and anti imflammatories. I hope it is just the drugs spacing her out bit it's a worry to see her like this.
 
Welcome to the forum.
The only advice I can add is a suggestion really. If I give any of mine lot Critical Care I mash a small piece of banana in - they love it.
Hope you can get answers.
Holding you in my heart
 
Hi,
I'm in the UK in the Midlands.

Yes I've been given the Critical Care syringe food and shes done a day and half so far. It's difficult and I'm struffling to get her to take it so I blended it with soggy pig nuggets to make it a more familiar taste. We managed 2 scoops of Critical care today but we've been recommended she needs 3 scoops so a way to go yet.
Her poos have improved though, they're larger and harder so I know we're on the right track.
I started weighing her yesterday, she's maintained over the last 24hrs.
I have noticed today she's alot quieter since starting pain killers and anti imflammatories. I hope it is just the drugs spacing her out bit it's a worry to see her like this.

Hi!

Please keep pushing in as much food as you can and try whether an added night session will help. In the way she is picking up, she will hopefully become more like herself again.

It is more likely the lack of food that is making her quiet/more lethargic. Remember how you feel after not eating much for days after a bad bout of norovirus? Painkiller/anti-inflammatories (or analgesics) are designed to make a piggy feel better.

Could you please tell us what drugs and on what dosages she is actually on (and how often).
 
Welcome to the forum.
The only advice I can add is a suggestion really. If I give any of mine lot Critical Care I mash a small piece of banana in - they love it.
Hope you can get answers.
Holding you in my heart
I'll give banana a go, thank you. I tried apple yesterday but that didnt do the trick. Its frustrating because her sister eats it off the spoon!
 
Hi!

Please keep pushing in as much food as you can and try whether an added night session will help. In the way she is picking up, she will hopefully become more like herself again.

It is more likely the lack of food that is making her quiet/more lethargic. Remember how you feel after not eating much for days after a bad bout of norovirus? Painkiller/anti-inflammatories (or analgesics) are designed to make a piggy feel better.

Could you please tell us what drugs and on what dosages she is actually on (and how often).

Yes we're going to do try some night feeds. We find in the morning she's shouting and clambering for food. It makes sense now that we know shes not eating her hay or biscuits. I'd be hungry too!

Shes on;
0.05ml gabapentin every 8 hours
0.45ml loxicom every 12 hours.

The vet prescribed this because initially he said they could take her for 24hrs before she's sedated to build her strength and weight. I'm currently working from home so I asked if this is something I could do myself at home as she's timid and relies on her sister for comfort.

Shes booked in for the sedation/examination/dental work on Tuesday and I'm really hoping they find the problem and fix it for her. I just dont want her to be put through unneccessary tests.
 
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