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Hi, I'm looking for some advice from those of you with experience on group 'dynamics'.

I currently have four young piggies in a c and c cage, 3 girls and 1 boy. The boy is separated with a c and c barrier to allow him company while preventing breeding.

My plan was to get him neutered, when old and large enough (approx 6 weeks) and then eventually allow him to join the girls, and then maybe add one or two more sows at a later date. I felt this would enable me to maintain the group in future years, with one neutered boar and a harem of sows.

My understanding is that only one neutered male can be kept in a group, however, I have seen on here that people keep separate groups each with one boar, or paired boars.

My question is could I introduce another boar as his companion within the current set up, which would avoid the need to put him through the operation? That would be 2 intact boars living next door to a group of sows, or would they still fight as if they were mixing with the sows as they could smell/communicate with them?

What are you opinions on what would keep them happiest long-term?

Thank you, I'm sure some of you have great advice on this!
 
I have 2 neutered boars living with 3 whole sows and everyone gets on well with each other and I haven't had to separate any of them. They have all been living together for 6 months since I introduced the boars to the sows. The boars are brothers so that may have something to do with it of course. After your boar has been neutered you have to wait another 8 weeks (I left mine 9 to be on the safe side) before you introduce him to your sows. It doesn't stop the urge to mate like it does with a dog - you just won't get any babies.
 
Hi, I'm looking for some advice from those of you with experience on group 'dynamics'.

I currently have four young piggies in a c and c cage, 3 girls and 1 boy. The boy is separated with a c and c barrier to allow him company while preventing breeding.

My plan was to get him neutered, when old and large enough (approx 6 weeks) and then eventually allow him to join the girls, and then maybe add one or two more sows at a later date. I felt this would enable me to maintain the group in future years, with one neutered boar and a harem of sows.

My understanding is that only one neutered male can be kept in a group, however, I have seen on here that people keep separate groups each with one boar, or paired boars.

My question is could I introduce another boar as his companion within the current set up, which would avoid the need to put him through the operation? That would be 2 intact boars living next door to a group of sows, or would they still fight as if they were mixing with the sows as they could smell/communicate with them?

What are you opinions on what would keep them happiest long-term?

Thank you, I'm sure some of you have great advice on this!

Hi and welcome!

One neutered boar per bonded group of sows is correct; occasionally two closely bonded, laid-back boars can work out with a group of sows, but much more often than not it ends in fights and bloody bites, especially if you do not have lots of space and the two boys can't have separate territories if they don't get on. You can however keep several sow(s) & 1 husboar groups living alongside each other, as I have.
When neutering a boar of yours you want to make very sure that you have got access to a very good vet, either a general vet with lots of practice in guinea pig neutering (often on behalf of a guinea pig rescue) or an exotic vets with experience in small furries ops. This is in order to cut down on the risk of post-op complications that can be otherwise still rather high. You also have to factor in a full 6 weeks post-op wait in order to make sure that your boy is 100% safe. My Tegan, the little baby in my avatar, is the unplanned gift of a supposedly safe over 5 weeks post op boar (not one of mine), just to make that particular point. It can really happen as late as that! Our advice follows the good standard rescues practice.

Alternatively, you can bond your little boy with another boar; ideally at a good rescue that offers a boar dating service under expert supervision, so you come home only with a healthy/already quarantined new companion if acceptance has happened. An age difference/adulthood of one boar is of advantage, as it means that only your little boy is going through the hormonal teenage months. The key to any successful boar bond is mutual liking and character compatibility; age is irrelevant.
However, while you can keep single boars next to sows without problems, the pheromones when sows come into season, especially when they have a strong one, can really upset a boar bond; even more so one with an adolescent.
You need to ideally keep the boars some distance to the girls or above them, but ideally out of sight and reach of pheromones. Neutering both boars will not influence that! My little Nye who I adopted as a companion for my neutered adult adoptee Nosgan (who turned out to be more of a boys' chap than a ladies' man here, too, after he failed to bond with his loving previous owners' sows) is going through all the classic stages of teenagehood even without his testicles. We had some short term separations when too many sow pheromones wafting up from the cages below did cause issues between the two. My reason for neutering Nye is that I have too many (older) sows to risk a pregnancy in case of an accidental meeting.
When you have both full boars and sows, you always need to feed, handle, groom, clean and let roam the boars first so you carry as little sow scent across. I am able to let my two boys roam in the time shared roaming area around the cages, but they are both on the laid-back side. It wouldn't work with two highly dominant boars.

Since we have members from all over the world, we find it very helpful if you please added your country, state/province or UK county, so we can tailor any advice and may be able to give you recommendations re. vets and rescues in your case straight away. Which way you go, will depend to a good deal on your vet and rescue access. Please click on your username at the top, go to personal details and scroll down to location. This will make it appear underneath your username in every post you make. Thank you!
 
Thanks for your replies.

I'm thinking, as I'm not very experienced I may keep to my original plan and get him neutered so he can join the girls. I do feel very guilty putting him through it, but I think it is the best option for them long term.

We have a vet locally who I know keeps lots of Guinea pigs herself, so I am hoping she will be up to the job! She is not on your vet locator but have seen questions to ask on here, so I will discuss these with her. Maybe she could be added if she does have the relevant experience?
 
My neutered boar Snowy lives with 6 sows in a 10x2 C&C cage. He loves it. He also loves his human cuddles...soppy boy :)

He is so laid back that he is almost horizontal!
 
Thanks for your replies.

I'm thinking, as I'm not very experienced I may keep to my original plan and get him neutered so he can join the girls. I do feel very guilty putting him through it, but I think it is the best option for them long term.

We have a vet locally who I know keeps lots of Guinea pigs herself, so I am hoping she will be up to the job! She is not on your vet locator but have seen questions to ask on here, so I will discuss these with her. Maybe she could be added if she does have the relevant experience?

If your vet would like to get more information from one of the most experienced guinea pig vets (including 15 years of neutering/spaying all piggies for the only UK guinea pig rescue with a total neutering policy for all their piggies until it closed down a few years ago), then the vet to contact is Simon Maddock in Northampton. He has as close to a 100% success rate as you can reasonably get. One of the biggest points in his favour apart from this outstanding skill for fiddly operations, be it dental or otherwise, is that he is not using vetergesic for GA, which cuts down massively on post-op issues.
He is a general vet and runs a small clinic that treats only cats, rabbits, guinea pigs and small furries, so he sees and treats several guinea pigs every day. He is keeping up with the latest operation methods and sees guinea pigs from all over the country (as far as Edinburgh!) for dental issues.
He has neutered my Nye (no issues whatsover) in Januray and has just spayed my Iola on Wednesday because she had very large ovarian cysts, one of which was found to be stuck to the bowel. That made it an extremely tricky operation and would have meant the end for her in any but the most experienced hands. Thanks to Simon, she is making a good recovery.
Here are his contacts: The Cat and Rabbit Care Clinic
 
Thanks Wiebke, that's great! I will pass on the contact info. Glad your little one is making a speedy recovery ☺️
 
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