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Marshmallow update and Baytril question

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An update in the ongoing saga of Marshmallow, and a question

Background: his kidneys are failing for as yet unidentified reasons. Currently symptoms has been weight loss and treatment has been subcutaneous fluid injections and supplementary feeding. Our vet is currently consulting with the RVC about whether there is anything else we could be doing on the kidney front and we are waiting to hear on that.

A few days ago, we noticed he was intermittently hunched and fluffed up, i.e. apparently in pain. Apparently metacam puts strain on the kidney's so we were prescribed an oral opiate. It's supposed to be slowly put into his mouth and absorbed through the mucous membrane but that's easier said than done!

In any case, last night we noticed he was a bit wet underneath and was hopping on his back legs rather than walking. He'd also gone down to 654g after a steady few days at 690-700g.

This morning when I went in he was in the exact same place he'd gone to when I dropped him back at the hutch last night, and soaked with urine as he'd clearly been weeing on himself and sitting in it. He's very reluctant to move with his back legs (although he can shuffle along to get to a bowl of oats, so I think its that moving is painful rather than impossible). He also seems to be slightly leaking urine all the time.

We gave him his supplementary feed this morning on a white tea towel and the urine is not red at all.

Anyway, we've been to the vet today and they've given him some Baytril on the basis it may be a UTI. Since it was a same day appointment it wasn't our usual person but a just graduated baby vet who first wanted to "wait 24 hours". I didn't think leaving the little guy stationary in a puddle of wee for a further 24 hours to see if he spontaneously fixed himself seemed like a good plan so suggested it might be a UTI (based on descriptions I've read on here, mainly)

So, my questions: does this actually sound like a UTI? Since the vet was pretty inexperienced (although he did go and consult with a colleague) and I feel like I talked him into it a bit, I'm just wondering if others feel like this makes sense.

Also, I recall that antibiotics can disturb guinea pigs's gut flora. We've been putting a pinch of Pro-C on Marshmallow's morning batch of recovery feed anyway, but should we increase amount / frequency in view of this? His brother seems to be in great health so we can also nick one of his poops for a poo soup if that would be recommended?

Thanks to anyone who made it through this long post! I wanted to make sure I included all relevant info. Really appreciate any advice.
 
Poor Marshmallow, hope you can find out what’s causing these unpleasant symptoms, hope it’s just a UTI and you can find something to help his kidneys function a bit better x
 
Thanks @Bill & Ted he's had two doses of the Baytril so far so I'm hoping we might start to see an improvement soon he remains very enthusiastic for food and water so hopefully that's a good sign.

I've ordered some fibreplex since I've seen that recommend. Does anyone know how often it should be given.
 
Thanks @Bill & Ted he's had two doses of the Baytril so far so I'm hoping we might start to see an improvement soon he remains very enthusiastic for food and water so hopefully that's a good sign.

I've ordered some fibreplex since I've seen that recommend. Does anyone know how often it should be given.
I’ve used it before, I think I gave Ted 1mg a day just to give him extra fibre being dental. It’s in a tube and has a dial with 1-10 marks on it, you screw the end and it measures 1 mg out at a time but I think you can use it more often, an hour after AB medication/food.
 
Poor Marshmallow. I have a recently departed bladder tumour piggy and she was getting wet like that and did get antibiotics for UTI and picked up for a bit. The only thing I'd maybe suggest is starting little bum baths of the area soaked in urine, to prevent urine scald on the skin? I started doing that with my piggy, just gentle dip of the back end into water and dried her gently.
 
Thank you all for the responses. Its such a worry to see him looking so sad and sorry for himself.

I'm really hoping we'll see some improvement soon with the Baytril (which he clearly doesn't like the taste of - all sorts of gurning after we gave it to him this morning!) and we've also got some new painkillers to pick up today for him which we hope will help perk him up.

@Black piggies Sorry to hear you've recently lost your piggie. I think the bum baths are a good idea to avoid urine scald like you say. I've had a read of Wiebke's advice on caring for piggies with no / limited mobility and we're following the recommendations in there for him.
 
Hi, I'm so sorry you're going through this, I don't have experience with kidney failure but I do have experience with UTIs, bladder stones and kidney stones in piggies.

I'm sorry if you've already answered this, but has an xray and ultrasound of your piggies bladder and kidneys been done? You can have these done without sedation so its safe for him.

The reason I ask is I had a piggie with the exact same issues, she also struggled to walk, we found out she had a huge bladder stone via ultrasound which caused her urinary problems and problems moving.

Supposedly sulfatrim is a better antibiotic of choice for urinary infections, I've also found it causes way less digestive upset. With baytril fibreplex is a necessity, but with sulfatrim I've had piggies that didn't need probiotics. I'd recommend if possible that you send a urine sample off for testing, they can tell if it is an infection and what antibiotic is best too.

With fibreplex the dosage is 1ml 3 times per day, I also like to give a pinch of pro-c professional alongside this for vitamin C, pre and probiotics, electrolytes and extra vitamins and minerals. I put a small amount with a little water and syringe directly, it can also be mixed with critical care once per day, I've found this to be successful for helping piggies with digestive issues.

Due to him having kidney problems, its hard as you have to be careful what you give him, too many things may hurt his kidneys further, so be sure to ask your vet before giving him anything and clarify dosages etc.

I think you are doing all of the right things and I hope your baby will improve soon, best of luck to you and marshmallow ❤
 
Ted used to have the Fibreplex mixed into a top up feed when he wasn’t eating much hay, it’s strange stuff, almost like greasy fine grit. best mixed with a tiny bit of soaked pellets or critical care. When Ted had a UTI we were given sulfatrim and he had no tummy problems whatsoever, it didn’t effect his appetite at all, of course we didn’t know at the time he had a kidney tumour/stone
 
Hi, I'm so sorry you're going through this, I don't have experience with kidney failure but I do have experience with UTIs, bladder stones and kidney stones in piggies.

I'm sorry if you've already answered this, but has an xray and ultrasound of your piggies bladder and kidneys been done? You can have these done without sedation so its safe for him.

The reason I ask is I had a piggie with the exact same issues, she also struggled to walk, we found out she had a huge bladder stone via ultrasound which caused her urinary problems and problems moving.

Supposedly sulfatrim is a better antibiotic of choice for urinary infections, I've also found it causes way less digestive upset. With baytril fibreplex is a necessity, but with sulfatrim I've had piggies that didn't need probiotics. I'd recommend if possible that you send a urine sample off for testing, they can tell if it is an infection and what antibiotic is best too.

With fibreplex the dosage is 1ml 3 times per day, I also like to give a pinch of pro-c professional alongside this for vitamin C, pre and probiotics, electrolytes and extra vitamins and minerals. I put a small amount with a little water and syringe directly, it can also be mixed with critical care once per day, I've found this to be successful for helping piggies with digestive issues.

Due to him having kidney problems, its hard as you have to be careful what you give him, too many things may hurt his kidneys further, so be sure to ask your vet before giving him anything and clarify dosages etc.

I think you are doing all of the right things and I hope your baby will improve soon, best of luck to you and marshmallow ❤
Thank you for sharing the benefit of your experience with us.

He did have an ultrasound when we initially took him in for weigh loss which is where the kidney problem was identified. I imagine they would have picked up and bladder stones at the time although some could have developed since I guess, not really sure how long that would take? At the moment we're sort of in survival mode but it's something we'll discuss with the vet once we've got through this week.

Thanks for the advice on the fibreplex, he's also getting vitamin B and C as recommended by the vet. Fingers crossed some of it works!
 
Ted used to have the Fibreplex mixed into a top up feed when he wasn’t eating much hay, it’s strange stuff, almost like greasy fine grit. best mixed with a tiny bit of soaked pellets or critical care. When Ted had a UTI we were given sulfatrim and he had no tummy problems whatsoever, it didn’t effect his appetite at all, of course we didn’t know at the time he had a kidney tumour/stone
Marshie also has kidney something, but we are hoping the Baytril will get rid of the immediate issue in the short term so we can have a little longer to enjoy him.

He seemed a little bit more comfortable this evening and he's had his first dose of the new painkiller so hopeing for the best.
 
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