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Lily has lumps and is losing weight

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We've noticed that very recently our g pig Lily has been losing weight and today she seems a lot more skinny. She is having trouble walking and I guess it's because she's lost so much weight. She has two lumps either side of her front legs on the outside. I'm not sure if the 2 are linked. We've had 2 guinea pigs with cancer before and on both occasions we had them treated but the outcome was not good. She's now lost interest in eating altogether.
Any suggestions why she might suddenly not want to eat and whether it might be linked to her lumps? We've checked her teeth and they seem fine.
 
Sorry to hear that Lily is poorly.

How old is she? And do you have an idea of how much weight she's lost and in what space of time? (perhaps she's been weighed at the Vets or at home?) Perhaps you could weigh her now too, to give us an idea of how skinny she is now?

Has she ever had any other medical problems in the past? Is she on any medication at all?

As I understand it, cancer in pigs is relatively uncommon, so it's especially unfortunate that you've had 2 piggies with this horrible illness. Is Lily related to those other 2 piggies? Either way, it may be that Lily's lumps are something else completely but I'm afraid I don't know much about lumps. Has your Vet seen her recently and examined these lumps?

Sudden unexplained weight loss obviously suggests an underlying problem and if she's in any pain, this can definitely affect the appetite.

If you haven't already, then I'd definitely take her to a good Vet as soon as possible. If you'd like us to try and recommend a Vet who is particularly good with piggies (and nearby), then let us know which are you live in. Even if you've been quite recently, you should go again, now that she's completely lost her appetite.

It's critically important that Lily gets sufficient amounts of food and water in order to keep her digestive system going and try to keep as much strength as possible, while you continue to try and figure out what's actually causing her problems.

You say she's lost interest in food. Do you mean that she actually won't eat anything herself? When pigs won't eat for themselves, they need to be carefully fed by syringe. Your Vet can give you special recovery food or you can mush up regular guinea pig pellet food with hot water (the plain brown nugget type, like Burgess Excel or Wagg Optiumum). If you've not hand fed like this before, then please either ask your Vet to show you or ask here, in the meantime. Lots of us have done it.

Who checked her teeth and were the back teeth checked too? If she doesn't already have problems with her teeth then you'll need to keep a very close eye on them if she's not eating for herself, as piggy teeth overgrow extremely quickly if they're not being constantly ground down by eating hay and their usual food.

Sorry for all the questions but there are lots of knowledgeable and experienced people on here and, the more info you give, the easier it is for us to try and help. Please do bear in mind that we're not experts though, and it sounds like Lily really needs to see a Rodentologist or Vet ASAP (one who is very experienced with pigs, if possible.)

I really hope you can find out what's wrong and get her on the right track soon x
 
Thanks for all that, that's great. We have got her in to the vet's for tomorrow night so hopefully she will last out till then.
She is not related to the pigs who had cancer. She's about 3 and she's always been quite small and quiet. That's why we haven't noticed any deterioration until yesterday, when her bones were really noticeable when we picked her up. It sounds like we don't pick her up often enough, but we do! She doesn't seem to be in any pain, which is good. We checked her teeth and the front ones looked fine. However, we will obviously get the vet to look at them tomorrow. We had one pig who stopped eating and we had her teeth 'clipped' in an operation but she never got better, despite numerous trips to the vet and syringe feeding. Do you think guinea pigs actually get worse the more they are force fed and man-handled? Unfortunately that seems to have been the case with a number of my guinea pigs, even though we try to look after them the best we can (substitute children comes to mind:)) I will try to syringe feed her anyway, thanks very much for the food advice.
Could you pass me details of a good g pig vet in the Derby area? Maybe we'll try a different vet.
 
Dental problems are quite common in guineas but, unfortunately, Vets with the relevant training, skill and expertise to carry out dental treatments on piggies, to an adequate standard, are few and far between....even though guineas are such popular pets in the UK. Piggy dental work often doesn't require a general anaesthetic either, however most Vets aren't confident enough to carry out conscious dentals (due to lack of training) so piggies often go under anaesthetic unneccessarily, which can in itself cause problems, as GA should be avoided unless absolutely necessary.

Unfortunately finding a "cavy-savvy" vet is a common problem for piggy owners but thankfully there are some Vets (and Rodentologists) around who are very highly skilled and will only do dental work under GA in extreme cases.

I don't know myself of any recommended vets in your area but someone else may well be able to advise. You could have a look of this thread and ask there, if you can't find anything:
http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1788

If I were you, I'd also contact Honeybunnies (guinea pig and rabbit) Rescue to ask them if they know a good vet in your local area. They're based in Leicester but I'm sure they'd be happy to help and will probably know your area very well too:
http://www.rabbitrehome.org.uk/rescue.asp?Rescue=461

Re your question about "force" feeding. I assume you simply mean syringe feeding and not actually physically forcing a piggy to eat. As long as it's done carefully and slowly and the piggy is managing to swallow everything properly, then this can definitely be a lifeline at times. If a piggy doesn't eat or drink for even just a day it can have very serious consequences.

I really hope you can get Lily to an expert who can make a firm diagnosis and help her x
 
I am sorry to hear you've got such concerns over Lily, I understand your worries. I agree that the teeth - molars - need checking to try to determine the cause of Lily's refusal to eat. The lumps, I honestly couldn't say what they are most likely to be, lumps on the outside of the legs are not something I have experienced or come across when advising others. If they were on the insides of the legs, I would have more ideas, but the outsides, I'm just not sure.

I agree that syringe-feeding does need to begin - I can email you a factsheet if you like, full of some tips that should help? If you are interested let me know on [email protected] and I'll get it emailed across tonight.

Will look up vets in Derby for you now, are you able to travel at all?

bishpiggies said:
Do you think guinea pigs actually get worse the more they are force fed and man-handled?

Not necessarily...but it is obviously very different to what guinea pigs are used to. I suppose it depends on what context you are asking the question - physically they should be a lot better off for the feeds, even if they are not keen on the feeds emotionally. Emotionally - some pigs can be upset by syringe-feeds, but again they need to be in good physical condition to help them through their illness.

Some pigs adapt to regular feeds no problem, others are less happy with it. At the end of the day, there is usually some hope that they will recover from their problems - if they are showing some interest in life, making some effort to look around, sniff at some food, potter around a bit - then they're probably not quite ready to give up yet, however disgruntled they get when they need to be handled and fed.

There are some piggies who have been syringe-fed entirely for many months before they started eating again. Syringe-feeding will bolster them in the short term to help them through any transient illness, and syringe-feeding can carry them through long term illness too. If the pig is showing some normal behaviours and some interest then the syringe-feeding needs to be kept up; it is difficult when the pig struggles with each feed but the more confident you become with the technique and handling that particular pig, the less stressed piggie will be.

The only time I would question whether it is fair to continue syringe-feeding a piggie is when they are spending all their time curled/hunched/puffed up in a corner, not moving between feeds and not responding to any outside stimulus. The only time I would advise against syringe-feeding a piggie is if bloat is suspected and the pig is suddenly not pooping as well as not eating (in which case a blockage needs to be ruled out before syringe-feeding), and when the pig will not swallow anything put into their mouth (a difficult judgement to make online/over the phone, as sometimes the feeding technique or an underlying illness is the problem as opposed to the pig being genuinely incapable of swallowing).

I have one pig here, Nooshi, she has been reliant on syringe feeds for around three months now. She started off losing her appetite due to another illness, but after so long of not eating she finally developed dental problems which are appearing to be long term. She doesn't eat anything for herself, and it is strange seeing a guinea pig - notorious for their appetite and love of food - not tucking in and not really making any effort to either. But she's an active pig; she cuddles up to her cagemate, she throws her teddy around, she'll move around the cage sitting in different place, she runs around on the floor exploring the room, she even runs away from me when I need to pick her up for a feed! So although she's not able to be a real piggie the way most people know, she's not living a deprived or sad life.
 
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The only vets I have been able to find that come recommended in the Derby area is in Alfreton. Alfreton Park Animal Hospital, 01773 832218. www.alfretonparkvets.co.uk

No idea if they are any good with dental work though, I don't know in what context they are recommended, they are just listed in the "TGPF Vets List" sticky.

Great idea from Susan (missy), do ask at Honeybunnies, they know of a rodentologist although I don't know anything about the location of the rodentologist etc.
 
Thanks everyone for your kind words and help. Unfortunately Lily died on Wednesday, just as we were going to take her to the vets. We were so shocked as she went down hill so rapidly. At the weekend, she seemed absolutely fine, then she seemed to lose weight over just a couple of days and went to not being able to walk or eat and then she just died. That's never happened to any of my pigs before, where we haven't been able to do anything to help them to get better. We started syringe feeding her the night before she died, she wanted lots fof water but didn't take kindly to mushy dry food or blended veg. After she died, my husband checked her and she had large lumps down from her jaw, down the side of her body.
So, we're very sad. At least our other girls got chance to say goodbye to her. They seem to forget so quickly after one of their family dies.
 
I am sorry for yopu and Lily - it is always shocking to lose a piggy so quickly while you are lining up help.
 
Really sorry to read your sad update. You obviously did everything you could for poor little Lily.

Big hugs to you and your remaining piggies x
 
We've kept guinea pigs for a number of years and we try to be so careful of catching illness really early to give them the best chance of survival. I learned early on that guinea pigs can get so ill so quickly. So in this case, we just feel awful that we couldn't catch it in time and we have no idea what was wrong. My only comfort was that she wasn't in any pain and she had a lovely life while she was alive.
RIP Lilyx>>
 
I'm so sorry, how very sad for you. My thoughts are with you.

Rest well, dear Lily. xx
 
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