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Leonard has Osteodystrophy

Eriathwen

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Basically, it is in his knees and spine..We have been told he is at high risk of bone breakages so we're being very careful with him at the minute although he is currently comfortable. The painful squeaking he was doing when going to the toilet, which prompted the first vet visit on Saturday has since stopped, he is on the maximum dose of metacam that is apparently available which is so far keeping him comfortable now we have upped his calcium and vitamin C intake, prior to getting these supplements he was still in quite a bit of pain which is why we took him back Monday and booked the xrays for yesterday.

He is currently still eating very well and maintaining his weight by himself, his poops are smaller than before, they are no longer giant bananas but still larger than all the sows poops. He can walk around, shows no lameness, can stand at his little front door, popcorn, is able to fully stretch out his legs without holding them up in the air when laying on his side.

We have been told to alter his diet to higher calcium, higher vitamin C and less phosphorus, which will hopefully also help keep him comfortable. I'm still trying to figure out a suitable list of vegetables although i've made a fairly decent start and there is at least a few on there that he actually likes. I'm still not sure what to do about pellets.. but he's being given alfalfa too which the vet advised.

I figured over the next few months-years issues might crop up so I thought I would write it all down here while it's still fresh, just so theres something to refer back to. I would also really appreciate any information anyone has about this condition. I spent the majority of yesterday reading pretty much everything I could find online, but theres a good chance I missed some things. I guess it's too much to ask for there to be a diet plan out there for satins and satin carriers..I'm sure we will muddle though.

I've attached his xrays, in case they're any use.
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Basically, it is in his knees and spine..We have been told he is at high risk of bone breakages so we're being very careful with him at the minute although he is currently comfortable. The painful squeaking he was doing when going to the toilet, which prompted the first vet visit on Saturday has since stopped, he is on the maximum dose of metacam that is apparently available which is so far keeping him comfortable now we have upped his calcium and vitamin C intake, prior to getting these supplements he was still in quite a bit of pain which is why we took him back Monday and booked the xrays for yesterday.

He is currently still eating very well and maintaining his weight by himself, his poops are smaller than before, they are no longer giant bananas but still larger than all the sows poops. He can walk around, shows no lameness, can stand at his little front door, popcorn, is able to fully stretch out his legs without holding them up in the air when laying on his side.

We have been told to alter his diet to higher calcium, higher vitamin C and less phosphorus, which will hopefully also help keep him comfortable. I'm still trying to figure out a suitable list of vegetables although i've made a fairly decent start and there is at least a few on there that he actually likes. I'm still not sure what to do about pellets.. but he's being given alfalfa too which the vet advised.

I figured over the next few months-years issues might crop up so I thought I would write it all down here while it's still fresh, just so theres something to refer back to. I would also really appreciate any information anyone has about this condition. I spent the majority of yesterday reading pretty much everything I could find online, but theres a good chance I missed some things. I guess it's too much to ask for there to be a diet plan out there for satins and satin carriers..I'm sure we will muddle though.

I've attached his xrays, in case they're any use.
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I am very sorry!

You may find this link here helpful; this is still the best collection of information on satin disease: Guinea Pig Welfare » Symtoms, Diagnosis and Prognosis…

The place with currently the most experience in caring for guinea pigs with OD that I know of is the Fox Residence Guinea Pig Sanctuary in Brisbane, Australia.
You may find it helpful to ask Nattie Fox for practical tips; she still is and has been looking after a number of satin piggies with this problem in recent years - you can tell her that I sent you to her. She has written the resue story about some of her RIP satin piggies for our current Guinea Pig Magazine issue (#46), but we have asked her to concentrate more on the emotional side and the piggies than on the illness information. However, if anybody on the rescue side is up to the nines on it, it is her! ;)
OD is sadly a degenerative illness that is closely (but not exclusively) linked to the satin gene.
https://www.facebook.com/thefoxresidents/
 
Thankyou so much! I will give that a read and I have just sent Nattie a quick message. I need to go veg shopping tomorrow so hopefully I can find plenty of things that are safe for him. So far all he can have out of what ive got in the fridge is lettuce and bell pepper..which isnt the most well rounded diet in the world.

He's being so brave about him, bless him.
 
Oh so sorry to hear about Leonard’s condition. It sounds a bit like osteoporosis in humans in which you are given calcium and vitamins D3 tablets to try and increase the bone density. Also sunshine is very good for bones and teeth, I think it’s something to do with the vitamin D?

Hope your Leonard improves with his diet and medication, poor little man x
 
Thankyou :) yeah from what i've been reading it's similar! He's on a liquid calcium and vitamin D supplement which seems to be helping, although ideally id like to be able to take him outside, my understanding is vitamin D is better absorbed via natural sunlight than orally, but given how cold it is, thats not an option yet, I expect it would make his joints sore :(
 
He definitely has no idea bless him, when I was giving him his vitamin C earlier he tried jumping over my arm, off my lap to have a walk about on the floor! I've told him he needs to start asking nicely so he doesnt break a bone somewhere..he wasnt listening, as usual.
 
He definitely has no idea bless him, when I was giving him his vitamin C earlier he tried jumping over my arm, off my lap to have a walk about on the floor! I've told him he needs to start asking nicely so he doesnt break a bone somewhere..he wasnt listening, as usual.
Typical man! Doesn't know whats good for him.
 
Aw thankyou guys! Whatever it takes to make them happy, right? They're worth it. He's just done a lap of popcorns around the room after getting his metacam, I'm not sure if I should be encouraging him to be more calm if his bones are brittle? I'd hate to confine him more to his cage but id also hate for him to break something while charging about! How he doesnt have testicular carpet burns at the very least is beyond me :doh:XD
 
Nattie advised the use of UV lighting so ive contacted Arcadia, who I know are one of, if not the best, companies here in the UK regarding lighting for exotic animals. They are kindly helping me figure out what lighting and supplements would be best for him :)

With regards to Leonard's sister, Shelly. Both are satin carriers, however Shelly is showing no symptoms. I plan on having her xrayed once I've paid off what I've spent for Leonard unless of course she shows signs of issues.
As she is the boss piggy of the herd of 7 and would likely need a whiff of gas if not being completely put under for xrays (she is nowhere near as calm as Leonard) how do you think it would be best to go about this? Should I take her next in line to go with her? One of the lower down pigs? Or send her alone? I want to make sure she is ok but I don't want to start a turf war lol
 
@Eriathwen so sorry you are having to go through this, Leonard sounds very brave. What vit c are you using? My vet wants Bracken to have a supplement, she suggested Oxbow but he won't eat them. As he's having extra water syringed at the moment I'm using pro c but he won't have it sprinkled on veg and I'm hoping to reduce the amount of syringed water he gets soon.

Sorry I can't help with your Shelly question.
 
I use human chewable vitamin C tablets, sugar free ones where possible. I got a pill cutter off amazon and cut a tiny piece off thatd be 50mg of vitamin C (or however much extra you need to be supplementing) and give him that, you can crush it and mix with water to give via a syringe too but it's fine given as it is. I usually use the oxbow ones but I put them somewhere safe and cant find them, typically! I think the ones i've got at the moment are from Tesco.
Although he got his last one today, I read somewhere that too much vitamin C can cause fibroid growths with the OD piggies, so I figured seeing as they get more than enough from their veggies anyway, extra isnt necessary for him anymore.
 
Thank you I will look out for some when I go shopping. Too much vit c also helps calcium stones form but as Bracken's veg is very limited due to calcium and minerals and he only gets a very small amount of pellets because of his stones the vet feels 25 - 50 mg vit c extra a day won't hurt. These special diets are a nightmare, it's so hard to know what to do for the best. I keep finding contradictory advice so have decided to just go with what the vet has said.
 
They are a nightmare arent they? One minute I read extra vitamin C is great for helping the bones regrow, them I'm seeing it will cause deformed growth. Plus his diet is so against what I would normally do for adult pigs with the extra calcium. He's even getting a small handful of alfalfa a day as the vet suggested. I'm going to keep testing his urine for sludge to put my mind at ease. I saw it in the guinea pig magazine, when I did one before taking him in there was barely trace amounts in there.
 
My vets are very knowledgeable on piggies (they are the ones others in the West Country refer to when they don't know!) so I'm going on what they say otherwise I am just going to tie myself in knots! All the conflicting evidence is one of the downsides of having access to the internet.
 
So, I figured I would ask it here just to keep things all together..but has anyone tried Cartrophen with pigs that have Osteodystrophy? Leonard has had ongoing bladder issues now which was the initial problem he went to the vets for..discovering OD was pure chance. We're going to be trying cystease over the next week or so but if that doesnt help, I'm thinking of asking the specialist vets we saw about Cartrophen injections. I know it's used for arthritis, osteoperosis as well as bladder issues, but would OD be something it could also help with?
 
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