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Kevin, do we proceed with testing or PTS?

fisher9988

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Apologies for the long winded post. My unneutered approx 1 year old male guinea pig Kevin has been experiencing issues the past. I rescued himself and his companion, another unneutered male, from the RSPCA on 25th March with little to no background information on the pair.

Kevin had been suffering some rather aggressive mounting behaviour from his companion on and off since last week. They have now been separated for the time being while a new cage with divider is set up. Since this Kevin lost 86g in one week and then has lost a further 16g since an unhelpful vet appointment Saturday (This was in May 20th and 21st). Since doubling the cage size the mounting has stopped.

Kevins appetite was reduced, he enjoyed his fresh food but his intake of pellet and hay had been reduced. His is also not drinking out of his bottle, all alternatives have been tried and we are now having to hold him and encourage the bottle into his mouth multiple times a day to get some fluids in him. He seems more lethargic than usual and his poos have become smaller and there are less than usual.

We had taken him to our vets twice, once in May(for reasons explained above) and once this week and they failed to inform us until our appointment thursday that our exotic vet had left and the nearest was an hour drive away in Sheffield. We took Kevin there Friday evening as he has begun to have massive issues walking, he was falling over and struggling to move about, they vet gave Kevin a through check over and believes he may have a neurological issue as displayed pain in his neck when they tried to check in his mouth, which explains not drinking as he didn't want to raise his head. They believe there could be an issue with his spine or neck which is not sending signals to his back legs, causing the falling and lack of movement, the vet also mentioned he could have been born with this and it has been a slow burning issue and could have been present at birth or caused by the conditions he was seized from.

We are due to take him for testing (Bloods, x-rays etc) Wednesday morning. His condition has taken a decline, probably 15% worse than Friday now. He will only leave the hidey to get to food and doesn't move at all when he needs the toilet, just urinates and poos where he is laying. Often we have found him laying in the open of the cage or in the hay looking either spaced out and vacant or asleep. His weight has also decreased another 15g since Friday despite eating more and not moving at all.

We just wanted some honesty on whether it will be kinder to Kevin to put him to sleep, he is getting weaker and weaker each day and there is worry that if he is anesthetized for the testing he may not even be strong enough to wake up afterwards. Or that testing may find his condition/quality of life may never improve. Any help, advice or support is welcome and we just look for an honest opinion rather than making him suffer further.
 
Apologies for the long winded post. My unneutered approx 1 year old male guinea pig Kevin has been experiencing issues the past. I rescued himself and his companion, another unneutered male, from the RSPCA on 25th March with little to no background information on the pair.

Kevin had been suffering some rather aggressive mounting behaviour from his companion on and off since last week. They have now been separated for the time being while a new cage with divider is set up. Since this Kevin lost 86g in one week and then has lost a further 16g since an unhelpful vet appointment Saturday (This was in May 20th and 21st). Since doubling the cage size the mounting has stopped.

Kevins appetite was reduced, he enjoyed his fresh food but his intake of pellet and hay had been reduced. His is also not drinking out of his bottle, all alternatives have been tried and we are now having to hold him and encourage the bottle into his mouth multiple times a day to get some fluids in him. He seems more lethargic than usual and his poos have become smaller and there are less than usual.

We had taken him to our vets twice, once in May(for reasons explained above) and once this week and they failed to inform us until our appointment thursday that our exotic vet had left and the nearest was an hour drive away in Sheffield. We took Kevin there Friday evening as he has begun to have massive issues walking, he was falling over and struggling to move about, they vet gave Kevin a through check over and believes he may have a neurological issue as displayed pain in his neck when they tried to check in his mouth, which explains not drinking as he didn't want to raise his head. They believe there could be an issue with his spine or neck which is not sending signals to his back legs, causing the falling and lack of movement, the vet also mentioned he could have been born with this and it has been a slow burning issue and could have been present at birth or caused by the conditions he was seized from.

We are due to take him for testing (Bloods, x-rays etc) Wednesday morning. His condition has taken a decline, probably 15% worse than Friday now. He will only leave the hidey to get to food and doesn't move at all when he needs the toilet, just urinates and poos where he is laying. Often we have found him laying in the open of the cage or in the hay looking either spaced out and vacant or asleep. His weight has also decreased another 15g since Friday despite eating more and not moving at all.

We just wanted some honesty on whether it will be kinder to Kevin to put him to sleep, he is getting weaker and weaker each day and there is worry that if he is anesthetized for the testing he may not even be strong enough to wake up afterwards. Or that testing may find his condition/quality of life may never improve. Any help, advice or support is welcome and we just look for an honest opinion rather than making him suffer further.

Hi and welcome

Please see a preferably piggy savvy vet as soon as possible and step in with feeding and watering care asap if it is not yet too late; guinea pigs cannot fast for long and need stepping in with feeding support as soon as they go off food. In a pinch, mushed up pellets will do. For more how-to information, please read the links below.

We cannot advise you sight unseen. It is likely that the increased dominance mounting has been a reaction to the developing illness which has upset the group hierarchy between your boys.

Piggies sleep with their eyes open by the way; it can look like being spaced out for new owners and can occasionally even catch out an experienced owner. Please make sure that Kevin is kept warm but not hot and be aware that the sudden heat can have easily made things worse by additionally stressing and weakening the immune system.

Here is the link to our comprehensive practical emergency and bridging care information pack, which contains everything you can do and need to look out for in a very ill piggy as well as further links with in-depth information advice and all the little how to tips; including how to improvise in a sudden crisis:
Emergency and Crisis Care as well as Bridging Care until a Vet Appointment

All About Syringe Feeding and Medicating Guinea Pigs with Videos and Pictures

Hot Weather Management, Heat Strokes and Fly Strike

Fingers firmly crossed!
 
Aw, I'm sorry to hear Kevin is so poorly 😢
I would perhaps keep going until Wednesday and see what happens. I think if a piggy is still eating there is some hope! As @Wiebke has said, please also step in with syringe feeding to replace the hay he's not eating.
Best of luck, I honestly hope he improves soon 🤞❤️
 
We have been syringe feeding in 1 scoop of critical care a day as the packet suggests for the past 3 weeks to help with weight gain. It worked to begin with but now the weight is falling off so quickly. We have given him fresh veg this evening and his intrest in those has plummeted in 24hrs too. We try and guve him water but as it hurts his neck he bites and even refuses syringes of water now, increased water based veggies and the exotic vet Friday said he is maintaining his hydration.
 
Only you can make the decision what is right for Kevin and for yourself. There isn't a wrong decision here, any decision made with Kevin's best interests at heart will be the right one. If you think he has deteriorated further since his last appointment maybe try to speak to the vet again and see if they can provide more guidance. Often vets don't want to say what they think the best course is so I have been frank with vets before and told them that I can see it's not currently a great quality of life and that I do not hold them responsible but I do appreciate their gut feeling and what they would do if it were their guinea pig. It is about quality of life overall and not quantity, your vet should be able to give guidance on the likelihood of what tests will show and what the treatment, if any, would be.
 
Only you can make the decision what is right for Kevin and for yourself. There isn't a wrong decision here, any decision made with Kevin's best interests at heart will be the right one. If you think he has deteriorated further since his last appointment maybe try to speak to the vet again and see if they can provide more guidance. Often vets don't want to say what they think the best course is so I have been frank with vets before and told them that I can see it's not currently a great quality of life and that I do not hold them responsible but I do appreciate their gut feeling and what they would do if it were their guinea pig. It is about quality of life overall and not quantity, your vet should be able to give guidance on the likelihood of what tests will show and what the treatment, if any, would be.
Thank you so much, have sent an email to my vets explaining the current deterioration. Will call tomorrow when they open if i dont hear back by my lunch break
 
I hope you can pull him through 😢
But whatever you do, it will be done out of love for Kevin, and that is the main thing ❤️
 
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