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Jake’s overnight corneal ulcer

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Hello I am new to posting although the resources in this forum and site have been invaluable. Been fiddling but haven’t worked out how to add pictures here.

I’m a recent undergrad in the UK with 2 male Guinea pigs, 10 months old called Terrence and Jake. They live fully indoors with me and I’ve started giving them free run of the room now I’ve finished uni and can stay home more.
I returned from a dentist appt in the evening to see Jake’s eye like this (very cloudy with red inflamed area at the bottom area of his eye, not actual flowing blood, no crust or other discharge, no swelling, marks, bald patches or anything else) after being fine when I left them in the morning - this is Wed 3rd Aug. I was still under the effect of painkillers so made an appointment for the morning and thought it was some sort of hay poke based on the internet, although I’ve never seen it before.Here's a rough timeline and again i have photos of every stage and would love support on how to upload them.


10:20am on Thurs 4th Aug is Jake’s first vet appointment, where his eye is examined with the dye etc. I’m told it looks more like a trauma injury because it came on suddenly and doesn’t seem to affect his behaviour. The vet said he required aggressive treatment so he had 2 injections, (an antibiotic and anti inflammatory) and some drops. I took some drops home too (isathal) which I was told to give every 3 hours (and have been doing so since).
I was told to return the next day so 10am Fri 5th Aug is Jake’s second appointment now and I’m told it looks worse than initially thought. The visible blood/redness at the bottom indicates severe inflammation and so aggressive treatment continues. This time Jake reacts slightly when you touch the side of his face/cheek near his eye, suggesting he’s now in pain but again, eating and playing and pooing/weeing as normal. That flinching only happened on the vet table, I hadn't seen it before the previous visit nor at home with me since, even when I'm giving him medicine or handling him. The vet also said his eye is drier and isn’t lubricating itself so I was given further medicine to take home: 0.3ml Baytril 2x a day, 11 drops of metacam 2x a day, lubrithal drops 3x a day and continue isathal drops every 3 hours.
As I say, I’m a recent economics graduate and was expecting to start my first ‘real’ job as I’ve been training with them for weeks now just for my job offer to be rescinded and my landlord refusing to renew my tenancy (ends in less than 3 weeks) without an employment contract. Cost of living is going up and I was waiting for my first salaried role to be able to afford the monthly insurance payments but of course life happens on it's own timing and I’ve spent £200+ on vet bills+meds so far, the same as an annual policy for the both of them </3. I’m not having any luck with the job hunt and can sense that this next scheduled appt (Tues 9th Aug) will be the last one I can afford. (The UK welfare system is bursting at the seams and falling apart, I've been trying to get financial support for months, especially as I became an estranged student in the middle of my degree but to no success. I'm still waiting for the outcome of my application and I have rent, a tooth I can't afford to extract but is causing constant pain, and general higher bills, food shopping, fuel etc etc. I don't want to have to give Jake up but if Tuesday's appointment doesn't yield good news, I won't be able to afford further care unless I get a job)


I have been meticulous with Jake's medication, rigorous with the timing, measuring the syringe and making sure he’s swallowed it all or be sure to replace what I didn’t quite get in his mouth. I’ve always adored them and given them so much attention but as life has gotten very difficult very quickly, i can’t help but feel guilty that me being busier/stressed is a factor in all this.
Anyway Jake is his usual self, the vet told me from the onset he may lose his eye/vision but that wouldn’t bother him. It’s of course so distressing for me and in spite of the aggressive treatment and yes he may not be visibly worse, he also isn’t any better.
Today is Sat 6 Aug and he’s been munching, playing and napping with his brother as usual. I’ve done another dose of the drops and gel and his eye looks ‘worse’? It’s slightly bulging now which it wasn’t before. They’ve always had different personalities and although I’m observing them so so closely, I have to be honest and say there’s no behavioural changes at all. I know Guinea pigs don’t give it away when they’re unwell but he’s not even pawing or acting like his eye is disturbing him.
Sorry for the rambling, I could do with any advice or encouragement that things need to just play out or is there something else I should try/be doing. Thanks in advance guys
 
This the evening I noticed Jake’s eye (Wed 3rd Aug). His eye was completely clouded over with some red inflammation in the bottom corner.
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This is after his first vet appointment about 15 hours after I first noticed his eye. First time attempting to put in eye drops so lots of misses but he sat well, it was nerves on my end. (taken on Thur 4th aug 4pm). Eye looks the same (to me?)




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This photo was taken about 4pm today (Sat 6 aug). He seems to shake off or wipe off the discharge round his eye by himself (it isn’t excess eye drops/gel) although I’ve read comments about cleaning it with water/saline, i don’t want to hurt him or irritate it more, especially it looking so angry looking from the 3rd.
 

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Oh dear, that does look very sore and I’m sorry to hear of your situation.
Isathal tends to work on haypokes quite quickly - I’ve certainly seen a huge improvement within a couple of days when my lot have had haypoke - but his eye does look very sore so it does look like more than a cursory poke with some hay.
If you think he is getting worse and you are noticing bulging of his eye, then I would be very inclined to see a vet before his scheduled appointment on Tuesday.
I hope he is ok
 
I’m thinking of trying terramycin based off recommendations, does this look genuine? Has anyone tried that antibiotic? I’ve read for other piggies in Similar situations a stronger antibiotic is what did the trick
Pona Altina Cat Eye Health Soft Gel,Pet Eye Health Soft Gel for Dogs 3.5g https://amzn.eu/d/gWdX5E2
 
I’m thinking of trying terramycin based off recommendations, does this look genuine? Has anyone tried that antibiotic? I’ve read for other piggies in Similar situations a stronger antibiotic is what did the trick
Pona Altina Cat Eye Health Soft Gel,Pet Eye Health Soft Gel for Dogs 3.5g https://amzn.eu/d/gWdX5E2

We cannot tell you what to give, only a vet can do so. Please don’t give anything other than what the vet has prescribed to you
 
Sorry for your poorly piggy and also your difficult personal circumstances. I'm sending Jake loads of healing vibes for his eye 💓

I've heard sometimes pigs can get eye injuries due to misjudged "keep away" paw swipes from a cage mate, perhaps something like that happened. Or running into something with a point or edge.

If Isathal etc isn't enough, there are other things vets can prescribe to try to heal the eye. One example was Kreacher, in this thread (last page or so) A scottish visitor...
You could ask your vet if that might work for Jake too.

I hope you can find out what he needs etc. And best wishes for your job hunting and house issues.
 
Update: yesterday (7 Aug) I noticed him chattering his teeth and being reluctant to move. This morning he was reluctant to eat food even his favourite vegetables and made a whistling noise when breathing/sniffing, so I took him to the vet at 3pm same day. She says his eye is worse (looks the same but is causing him more pain) hence the noises, I feared it was a Uri on top of his eye injury so sigh of relief. Been given more metacam and to stick with isathal, I ordered the terramycin but after asking the vet, I didn’t know pet meds bought online are most likely to be counterfeit! Glad I found out before the delivery arrived as I would have for sure given them to Jake by now. I did ask about trying other treatment as it seems odd to continue with the same drugs if weve not seen any improvement and it’s day 6 now but she was adamant to stick with it? This is my first sick piggie so I’ll definitely have a few more grey hairs after this ordeal, does anyone know from experience if isathal eventually does the job and I'm just being impatient or do i need to advocate for something else?
 
It depends on what is actually going on with his eye - a deeper injury is obviously going to take longer to heal than a cursory scratch. It may be he needs a different medication but what I would say if is you aren’t seeing any improvement in a day or so then to call the vet again.

I'm glad you’re not going to give him the Terramycin, but please don’t give any treatment which the vet hasn’t prescribed. Anything else could adversely react with what he is already getting and make things much worse.

Is he on a decent dose of metacam (In ml)?
If he is reluctant to move/eat, then please ensure you switch from the routine weekly weight checks and instead weigh him daily so that you monitor his hay intake more closely, stepping in with syringe feeding if he isn’t eating enough hay and therefore not maintaining his weight
 
It’s a cornea ulceration (vet diagnosis). Each appt is less than 10 minutes, even with me gushing with questions and clarification. From the onset the vet seems matter of factly for his eye to go but I can’t help but feel like there’s more I can do. It’s tempting once you get online and start nosying around to try what seemed to work for others.
He is maintaining his weight but ofc will definitely be on watch, he seems to eat okay now he’s had more pain relief from the metcam - I’ve been told 11 drops (roughly 0.3ml I think) twice a day for today only but then back to once a day which is what he’s been on and led to him chattering his teeth/whistly breathing ;( . Feel helpless but know I’m doing everything at the same time
 
Piggies need their pain meds twice a day as they metabolise them in around 12 hours. Once a day isn’t enough and will mean he is experiencing discomfort for the other 12 hours.

It does look to be rather quite a bad injury. The haypokes we’ve had here have given a pale bluish haze to the eye and treatment started the same day, isathal working within a couple of days, all healed within 7 days.

Is it dog or cat metacam?
 
Just a thought - are you making sure to leave a time gap between applying the isathal and the lubricant?
 
oh really? It’s the cat and Guinea pig one, I gave him some already at midday and will again before bed. He’s eaten a fair bit of lettuce and spinach now but I can still see his pain signals. I’m going to keep watch and hopefully have some better news soon
 
Just a thought - are you making sure to leave a time gap between applying the isathal and the lubricant?
Yes I am thank you for asking! I wasn’t sure about the order but I read that lightest to densest or antibiotic then lubricant, is that right? It’s what I’ve been doing, with at least a 30 min gap. He’s still chittering his teeth but I’m going to give him some floor time now and watch how he goes
 
oh really? It’s the cat and Guinea pig one, I gave him some already at midday and will again before bed. He’s eaten a fair bit of lettuce and spinach now but I can still see his pain signals. I’m going to keep watch and hopefully have some better news soon

Yes twice a day is needed. Piggies tolerate pain meds better than cats. You will need to consult your vet
The cat/piggy version is three times weaker than the dog version.

You need to monitor his hay intake via the scales - it’s good he is maintaining but definitely keep an eye on it. You can’t judge hay intake by eye. Watching them eat lettuce and spinach isn’t enough I’m afraid as veg is only 15% of the daily food intake, whereas hay is 80% and is often the first thing to be dropped when they are unwell (and make sure you don’t feed too much spinach due to its high calcium content).

Yes I am thank you for asking! I wasn’t sure about the order but I read that lightest to densest or antibiotic then lubricant, is that right? It’s what I’ve been doing, with at least a 30 min gap. He’s still chittering his teeth but I’m going to give him some floor time now and watch how he goes

Excellent, a 30 minute gap is recommended
 
I think given he’s not really eating hay then you will have to step in and syringe feed him. It’s good he is maintaining his weight but eating veg is unfortunately not enough to keep it on.

Hopefully the continued eye drops and painkiller will help him get better.
 
sorry I should have specified, he is eating a bit of everything not just veg, i took hay out the holder because it kept getting onto his eye and the medication, he puts his whole face in it. I moved it lower than eye level and made sure there’s no sharp or very long bits, he’s still eating hay and veggies and his pellets, this morning when I cleaned the bowls and refilled everything is the first time I noticed him turning away from the food. I’ve just finished giving him his eye gels and put him back on the floor with his brother and he seems to be eatin GB pellets and hay again which is positive. Weighed today, he is currently 867g (no changes since the first vet visit) but of course will monitor, I'm barely sleeping because I’m constantly watching but that’s also my stress too. Will keep updating, next vet appt is set for Friday morning to see how he is by then (Would go sooner but I have a tooth extraction on Wednesday, i actually postponed it so I could pay for the vet this week).
I usually give them romain lettuce but as I feared a URI I bought spinach and peppers for calcium and vit C?
 
Spinach is too high in calcium to be fed regularly - one leave once a week should be the maximum. Are they only having one tablespoon of pellets each? And a cup/50g of veg? The latter two shouldn’t be topped up when finished.
 
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