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It's her time to go. Passing away... what to do? :(

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Hi all,

It's finally our lovely floof Oreo's time to follow her first family Leia, Ginger and later adopted Nugget over the rainbow bridge and leave her new family :( Our dear Leia went two and a half years ago, Ginger two years ago and Nugget 6 months ago. Oreo and Nugget found new life when we adopted our four babies after the passing of Leia and Ginger. We never imagined she'd still be with us at six and a half, outliving Nugget and with all that time having passed since Leia and Ginger got their terminal diagnoses.

I was posting on here almost a month ago after rushing her to be PTS but being given by the vet a weekend with a trio of new meds to add to her routine to see if it would help her at all. She did really well on them and has had almost a month of extended life during which she perked up and had a better quality of life.

Yesterday she was fine. This morning she didn't want her favourite meds or basil (unheard of). She snatched the small cucumber pieces from us but took a long time to eat them. I knew it wasn't good but maybe we had woke her from a deep sleep as has happened before. Been watching her all day and she hasn't moved much other than having a very long drink of water. She showed interest in hay and nuggets but turned away without eating them. I let her sleep until getting her out for her next meds.

She's on the sofa with me now on her cuddly bed under a light blanket. She didn't want her meds. She took the little lettuce leaves eating them slowly but then started falling asleep on and off. Then she fell asleep with one in her mouth and has been still since.

Some questions?

1. I'm guessing her digestive system has already shut down perhaps in the night although she has that little bit of interest and trying to eat, and had some water? She definitely won't have anything now.

2. I'm thinking back to Ginger and Nugget's passing away process (Leia was planned PTS)... and whether I take her to the out of hours vet for PTS or wait and see if she passes over peacefully at home with me and her family...

Ginger passed quickly, our first death at home. We saw the run to rainbow bridge and her breathing slowing down. When we thought it might be taking too long, we rushed to the vet but she died in the car not long after we set off.

Nugget was similar to Oreo, stopped having any intake and laid still with slower breathing. We thought it was imminent and waited at home wanting her to be peaceful and not rushed outside by herself like Ginger. But it took a couple of days before we took her and the vet said she was cold and almost gone. She went with just the gas before they could do the injection we'd waited too long. Although she seemed at peace the whole time, it was drawn out.

Now I'm wondering what do I do with Oreo. She's peaceful and warm. My boyfriend is stuck at work and wants to say goodbye to her but understands if he can't. If she seems peaceful and still does that mean she isn't in pain? I just want to do what's right by her. If she can go in the warm at home surrounded by her family I'd prefer it. I worry that taking her out in the cold and rain in a bumpy car trip to the vet alone would cause her stress?

She still had a lettuce leave in her mouth. I tried to take it out when she stirred, she tried to keep it then slowly chewed it again before falling asleep again. Even in death she will do anything for food.
 
Just to clarify my boyfriend is stuck at work for another three hours but has said to do whatever is best for Oreo if that means taking her before he can say goodbye. I'm more concerned if it would be a worse experience for Oreo being taken out in the cold car instead of being warm at home.

She's completely still for the most part with her eyes half open but every now and then she will move/lift her head to look around a bit. Her eyes close if I stroke her.

Is it better to leave them alone quiet and warm in the cage or to stroke them on your lap. I don't want to annoy her if she doesn't like the gentle stroking, and I don't want to do that if it's going to keep her from crossing over the bridge sooner. I remember Wiebke saying they often passed when she left the room for a while. I've tried that a couple of times but she's still here.
 
I’m very sorry that Oreo is on her journey to the rainbow bridge 😞 it sounds like her organs are already shutting down and that she’s well on her way 😞 If she is comfortable and peaceful, I’d be inclined to keep her warm but not too hot stroking her and talking to her softly. She won’t really be aware of what is going on anymore but will know you’re there. If however you feel she’s in pain and suffering, I’d take her for pts (((hugs))) there really is no right or wrong answer in these situations x
 
Claire W said:
I’m very sorry that Oreo is on her journey to the rainbow bridge 😞 it sounds like her organs are already shutting down and that she’s well on her way 😞 If she is comfortable and peaceful, I’d be inclined to keep her warm but not too hot stroking her and talking to her softly. She won’t really be aware of what is going on anymore but will know you’re there (((hugs))) x
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Yeh I was wondering if her organs are already shutting down... I guess that's already started when their digestive system stops working? I noticed keeping an eye on her this morning that she was keeping her head lower/resting her chin on the ground more and just sleeping. Knowing that she was in her last weeks-days maybe we should have called it and taken her this morning but didn't want to be rash in case she was having a slow morning.

We always have that uncertainty.. after all you don't want to put them down if it's not time, then it dawns on you that this is it this time and they've started the dying process :( This will be our fourth piggy to pass. With each one we learn something new that helps us for the next one.

She's completely still except her eyes may open or close a little and every maybe 5-10 minutes she nods her head up, might move a tiny bit, her eyes squint or nose twitches then she's still again. I wonder why they do that, if it's like when you're nodding off and you wake up. If it's a bit of staying here and not crossing the bridge. I don't want her to go but I don't want her to keep stirring if she can go quickly.

She was always a pig who would stay happily on your lap for hours and not want to go back in the cage. And if you stopped stroking her she'd look up and you until you started again and she'd flop again. I'm not sure if she'd like me stroking her right now. It might bother her. Since she's been in her last weeks she hasn't liked strokes as much for the most part. She'd have her meds, and enjoy lap time and little strokes as she had her support food, veg/treats but as soon as the food was gone she'd head butt you and want to go back in the cage. There were exceptions though.

I had a feeling it would be on a Sunday night. All of the other three were on a Sunday evening as well! I'd never deny them out of hours PTS even though the cost of it. I think it's the least I can do after all the love we share. I mean we spend £1000s on them already, what's a couple £100 more lol.

I'll call the vet and check they think I'm doing the right thing. Although I think opinions vary on how long is too drawn out and are they peaceful. I'd say she is still aware of things like when I stroke her she'll move her head a little to look at me. So she isn't at that point where she's unaware. I think if she were in the cage, she would stumble away to find a peaceful corner if she needed to.
 
Fluffbabies said:
Yeh I was wondering if her organs are already shutting down... I guess that's already started when their digestive system stops working? I noticed keeping an eye on her this morning that she was keeping her head lower/resting her chin on the ground more and just sleeping. Knowing that she was in her last weeks-days maybe we should have called it and taken her this morning but didn't want to be rash in case she was having a slow morning.

We always have that uncertainty.. after all you don't want to put them down if it's not time, then it dawns on you that this is it this time and they've started the dying process :( This will be our fourth piggy to pass. With each one we learn something new that helps us for the next one.

She's completely still except her eyes may open or close a little and every maybe 5-10 minutes she nods her head up, might move a tiny bit, her eyes squint or nose twitches then she's still again. I wonder why they do that, if it's like when you're nodding off and you wake up. If it's a bit of staying here and not crossing the bridge. I don't want her to go but I don't want her to keep stirring if she can go quickly.

She was always a pig who would stay happily on your lap for hours and not want to go back in the cage. And if you stopped stroking her she'd look up and you until you started again and she'd flop again. I'm not sure if she'd like me stroking her right now. It might bother her. Since she's been in her last weeks she hasn't liked strokes as much for the most part. She'd have her meds, and enjoy lap time and little strokes as she had her support food, veg/treats but as soon as the food was gone she'd head butt you and want to go back in the cage. There were exceptions though.

I had a feeling it would be on a Sunday night. All of the other three were on a Sunday evening as well! I'd never deny them out of hours PTS even though the cost of it. I think it's the least I can do after all the love we share. I mean we spend £1000s on them already, what's a couple £100 more lol.

I'll call the vet and check they think I'm doing the right thing. Although I think opinions vary on how long is too drawn out and are they peaceful. I'd say she is still aware of things like when I stroke her she'll move her head a little to look at me. So she isn't at that point where she's unaware. I think if she were in the cage, she would stumble away to find a peaceful corner if she needed to.
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I’ve just lost my 11th piggy two weeks ago and it never gets any easier 😞 It was heartbreaking as Ella was bright and alert but she couldn’t eat and was in a lot of pain. I always go with the thought that it’s better a day too soon rather than an hour too late

I would perhaps pop her back in the cage and see what she does if she no longer likes strokes

It’s hard to know when it’s time and whether we take them to the vets for pts or let them pass at home. I’ve only had 3 pass at home, the others have all been helped to pass.

Like I say, there really is no right or wrong answer. I’m sorry that it’s happening again on a Sunday night for you

You may find this thread helpful A Practical and Sensitive Guide to Dying, Terminal Illness and Euthanasia in Guinea Pigs x
 
I just put her back in the cage with her cage mates. I had her on the sofa with me about an hour and a half. She seemed really peaceful and the bed she was on meant she looked really comfy. We noticed the two babies who are very close to her, have been laying with her today, closer than they normally would. Sometimes one either side, like they did with Nugget when she starting the dying process. I read online that they like to be around their friends so I put her back.

Oreo is at one end of our 8x3 C&C. All four youngsters have been active around her the rest of the time. Instead of eating or drinking anywhere else in the cage, they are pottering around the tunnel she's under. I don't know if this is good for her to be surrounded by them being active or if it's too noisy for her and she'd be better off peaceful on the sofa with me? They haven't taken their leave rather they are wanting to be close. They keep checking in on her in the tunnel even the one that isn't usually very close to her. The one really closely bonded to her keeps going in to lick her eyes (as she always has, never has been gentle about it either!) I could put her down the other end but she's always preferred this end closer to the sofa.

With Nugget, they had taken their leave other than increasingly less frequent check ins before retiring into the opposite corners and being quiet and subdued. We thought Nugget would pass imminently but she didn't. Cookie, the oblivious, hyper (1.3kg!) piggy, started doing laps which then included running through the tunnel poor Nugget was in, Nugget crawled out towards a quieter spot. Before I could stop her Cookie did another lap and jumped on poor Nugget. Which upset us a great deal although Nugget didn't express signs it hurt her. So I'll keep a close eye on them and bring Oreo out if Cookie starts being a little nutter around her.

If Oreo is still with us when my boyfriend gets home from work, we'll say our final goodbyes and take her to be helped over the bridge I think. I don't think it's fair to wait as these things can take a long time :( I hope the others will be okay if we don't bring her back. I think it's clear from their behaviour that they know she's very ill.
 
From what you write, Oreo seems to be slowly drifting away. I would leave her at home as long as you don't feel that she is in pain or uncomfortable.
But of course it's entirely your decision. You're the one who knows her best and knows the situation.

As long as the others don't start bullying her, you don't need to seperate them. But it can happen, so I would keep an eye on them.

Take care!
 
Claire W said:
I’ve just lost my 11th piggy two weeks ago and it never gets any easier 😞 It was heartbreaking as Ella was bright and alert but she couldn’t eat and was in a lot of pain. I always go with the thought that it’s better a day too soon rather than an hour too late

I would perhaps pop her back in the cage and see what she does if she no longer likes strokes

It’s hard to know when it’s time and whether we take them to the vets for pts or let them pass at home. I’ve only had 3 pass at home, the others have all been helped to pass.

Like I say, there really is no right or wrong answer. I’m sorry that it’s happening again on a Sunday night for you

You may find this thread helpful A Practical and Sensitive Guide to Dying, Terminal Illness and Euthanasia in Guinea Pigs x
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I'm so sorry to hear about Ella :( You must be so strong for going through it 11 times :( I look at our four younger ones and hope we don't have any big illnesses or death for a while. And I ask myself why I continue to put myself through it.

I think it's harder when they still seem bright or like they're having happy times. Each case is an individual one. With Oreo, after the meds were working well we were still worried about her quality of life so we took her back to the vet. Vet confirmed we were very much in the grey. He said if we said we wanted to PTS right then he'd support that, but if we wanted to take her home and take it day by day, he understood and didn't think we were causing her discomfort. We chose the second option.

When they're in pain and nothing can be done I've always found it an easy and quick decision right then and there. Then I deal with my feelings later. If only they could speak to us and it would be so easy to do what's best for them.
 
Viennese Furbabies said:
From what you write, Oreo seems to be slowly drifting away. I would leave her at home as long as you don't feel that she is in pain or uncomfortable.
But of course it's entirely your decision. You're the one who knows her best and knows the situation.

As long as the others don't start bullying her, you don't need to seperate them. But it can happen, so I would keep an eye on them.

Take care!
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Thank you for reading and responding. She has the two who are closest to her (Cookie and Demi) lying either side of her again. (And I don't think it's just for the warm from the snuggle safe ;) ) Cookie is licking her eyes again.

I'm fine leaving her with them like you said if she seems peaceful. I just never know how long is too long for the process to take. Like Nugget was peaceful the whole time, no seizures or signs of pain, but it took almost two days of her lying still after she stopped eating and drinking for her body to actually stop. I kept putting off driving to the vet because her breathing was so slow, every time I went to put her in the carrier I thought this has got to be it now. But it wasn't. It's just so slow.

It would save some pennies as well if she goes at home. Our out of hours vet charges to get in the door, to have an appointment, then the PTS then the cremation fee. I guess it's due diligence but they won't take my word for it that my pet is dying, has already been thoroughly discussed with normal vet and I just need the PTS and cremation.

Another factor is that we are both working 13 hour+ shifts tomorrow so if we go, we either go before we go to bed or see if she is still with us around 5am and take her then. It might be selfish and practical but taking her before we go to sleep might give us some time to be numb/cry/process things before long work hours in health and social care.
 
Fluffbabies said:
I'm so sorry to hear about Ella :( You must be so strong for going through it 11 times :( I look at our four younger ones and hope we don't have any big illnesses or death for a while. And I ask myself why I continue to put myself through it.

I think it's harder when they still seem bright or like they're having happy times. Each case is an individual one. With Oreo, after the meds were working well we were still worried about her quality of life so we took her back to the vet. Vet confirmed we were very much in the grey. He said if we said we wanted to PTS right then he'd support that, but if we wanted to take her home and take it day by day, he understood and didn't think we were causing her discomfort. We chose the second option.

When they're in pain and nothing can be done I've always found it an easy and quick decision right then and there. Then I deal with my feelings later. If only they could speak to us and it would be so easy to do what's best for them.
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Thank you. I’ve made the decision that these will be my last piggies as I can’t cope when they’re ill and the pain it brings when they pass away. Esme is only 3 and I thought her and Ella would grow old together. I assumed Elizabeth who’s 5 would pass first but things never work out as we think.

I think you made the right decision giving Oreo a chance. She has lived to be a great age and it’s clear how much she is loved x
 
Claire W said:
Thank you. I’ve made the decision that these will be my last piggies as I can’t cope when they’re ill and the pain it brings when they pass away. Esme is only 3 and I thought her and Ella would grow old together. I assumed Elizabeth who’s 5 would pass first but things never work out as we think.

I think you made the right decision giving Oreo a chance. She has lived to be a great age and it’s clear how much she is loved x
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Things definitely never work how you think/hope they will. Now we try to brace ourselves that anything can happen at any age. We've been in this situation four times now. That horrible situation where one is ill or old and every time you come down in the morning you brace yourself to see if they're still with you or not. It's awful.

We were blessed for much longer than we could have imagined to come down every morning and for Oreo to still be with us, and to be well enough to join the others running and climbing for salad. Just made me so happy every day to see her look up at me and beg for food. As long as she was begging and chowing down food I knew she was okay.

Just yesterday evening she surprised us standing up on her hind legs climbing the tunnel to get salad that had fallen on it, despite her arthritic legs and paws and running after me. You try not to take those days for granted and try to soak in every moment and visual of them while you're giving their meds and support food, but you still have to keep up with your work commitments and everything else. They wouldn't like you to bother them all day but you want to take as much of them in as you can while you have the chance.

Then suddenly one day, that's it. There's nothing else can be done and you know they've started their trip over the bridge. They won't take anything you offer them. You know even if you get the pain meds into them that their body won't process it and they're only half with you. You go from stressing making sure you give them all the right meds and supplements, keep them washed, dry, clean cage, warm cage, flat cage, everything in reach, three times a day... to there's no point in any of that any more. Put away the support food and meds. Finish an almost three year time span of giving medication and supplements.

Half of you wants them to pass quickly but the other half longs for them to lift their head and look at you again. Because when they don't they never will. Even though they don't want anything from you now. You can't win when they're old or sick. It doesn't matter how many 100,000s of times she's looked up at me, The thought that she won't ever be here and do that again breaks my heart. I've seen her little face look up at me every time I've been year over 6 and a half years. Every time she saw me she ran after me in case I had something for her.

We don't have many friends or family round us and won't be having children. Our piggies are our everything. They're the best thing in our life and give us so much happiness. Oreo's always been the kindest, most gentle, loving, no drama soul you could imagine. She'd lick you constantly anywhere she could. One time I was crying and she stretched up and licked the tears off my face. Yes they probably tasted salty but she always knew how you were feeling. And when it's one of the extra extra special once in a lifetime piggies like Oreo, you can't imagine how you'll ever be okay again.

It doesn't matter how much warning you get. Even though we've been worried since age 4 and a half that she wouldn't make it to 5, or 5 and a half, or 6 let alone 6 and a half. Then you think omg she's going to keep going.

I'm not okay. I want to go back in time and have more time with her even though I know I'd never be ready. Even though I can see the age in her and only want her to be happy. How has over six years gone by since we got her as a baby.

I just want to hold her and stroke her. But I don't want to bother her. How can I ask any more from her.
 
Dying is a natural process but it's different for everyone and everypig.
I usually rush piggies to the vet for PTS if the piggy is in pain (which happened so often with my piggies unfortunately) or really uncomfortable.
I have had a few very old piggies who slowed down and went to their forever sleep at home. But it never took longer than a few hours.

You are really the only one who can judge the situation and I'm sure that your decision will be what you think is best for Oreo. 💞
 
She just stumbled out of her tunnel and stuck her head in the nugget bowl :( but didn't eat anything. Then walked towards the hay, sniffed it but laid down. More out of needing to. Now she's just lying there in the open all small. :( Why's she still showing an interest in food if she can't have it anymore?

I'm sure she's started to pass. She's barely moved all day and doesn't want anything I put near her mouth. When I gave her her last meds it was almost like she couldn't open her mouth because she wasn't with it and it pooled in her mouth although she did swallow it and she tried to eat the lettuce even though she kept falling asleep with it in her mouth. Is she still trying to live? Is it muscle memory? It is making me so sad. I'd help her to have some syringe food if she wanted it but I know she doesn't because she turns her head away from everything and wants to hide under the blanket.

Nugget could stumble while she was in the process but only did so to try to move out of the way somewhere quiet if another pig went near her. Oreo's definitely more stumbling than walking.
 
It's so incredibly painful to watch the end. :(
I think the urge to stay alive is really strong even if nothing works any more.

To be honest, I'm usualy not strong enough to watch until the end. I haven't been to an out of hours vet on a Sunday night unless absolutely necessary, but I usualy go to the vet as soon as possible the next day.
 
Viennese Furbabies said:
Dying is a natural process but it's different for everyone and everypig.
I usually rush piggies to the vet for PTS if the piggy is in pain (which happened so often with my piggies unfortunately) or really uncomfortable.
I have had a few very old piggies who slowed down and went to their forever sleep at home. But it never took longer than a few hours.

You are really the only one who can judge the situation and I'm sure that your decision will be what you think is best for Oreo. 💞
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This is what I don't get why it took so long with Nugget and now with Oreo. Unless we're noticing it quicker before it's really got started. I don't know. I think they can live for 12-24 hours after the stop eating and drinking. So maybe she's stopped her intake, stopped moving around and is sleeping a lot because she's not well/something's not right, but the actual process hasn't started. I don't know. I'm confused why she walked to the food and showed an interest. My boyfriend will be home soon so think we'll take her. I'm sure there's no way back when she doesn't want anything. Just last night she was snatching the support food syringe and stretching out to me because I was too slow refilling the syringe between mouthfuls.
 
Hi
just joined to support you and what your going through
I'm a big animal lover and have lost loved and lost big as I'm sure most of us here have
Be there for your oreo and youll know and will miss but we do love again
 
Viennese Furbabies said:
It's so incredibly painful to watch the end. :(
I think the urge to stay alive is really strong even if nothing works any more.

To be honest, I'm usualy not strong enough to watch until the end. I haven't been to an out of hours vet on a Sunday night unless absolutely necessary, but I usualy go to the vet as soon as possible the next day.
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That's what we did with Nugget, tried to wait til Monday morning but it had already dragged on too long I couldn't bear it any more and took her Sunday night. The issue with going in the morning is we've both got work super early and all day.

Maybe like you said it's the urge to live even when the body isn't working well enough to keep going. Oreo's always been a foodie. Maybe she doesn't feel well and wants to eat but can't :'(

I don't know how I stay with them the whole time watching them. I do leave the room because it's too painful but then I don't feel right that she might be down here and start being in pain dying and I wouldn't know or I'd leave her alone (even though she has her friends) and she'd go when I'm not here then I'd find her gone.

I don't know if it would be a relief to find her gone. I kept hoping with Nugget every time I checked, she'd be gone and peaceful but every time she wouldn't be. I just feel I can't leave them. Partly because I don't want to be by myself in another part of the house with my emotions. At least I'm near her.

I'm going to get myself ready for the vet trip. might give her gentle cuddles and say my goodbyes before my boyfriend gets home to say his. Thing is other than touching her and trying to soak in every part of her, I struggle talk to them before they're gone because I can't use my voice without crying my eyes out and I don't think that's fair. So I try and tell them my thoughts once they're at peace before I leave the vet. But it's never enough time to tell them everything. I guess she's always known my love and that I'd do absolutely anything for her. She probably doesn't want me fussing over her.
 
harmonies said:
Hi
just joined to support you and what your going through
I'm a big animal lover and have lost loved and lost big as I'm sure most of us here have
Be there for your oreo and youll know and will miss but we do love again
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Thank you for your support and taking the time to message. I much appreciate it. It makes me feel less alone in this painful time. I really appreciate everyone on this forum. It's amazing to have people to talk to who truly understand how much we love these little animals with all our hearts.
 
Hugs to you, being with a pig who is passing can feel very lonely. Oreo sounds like she is comfortable and surrounded by love after reaching a grand age, which is what any pig would ask for 🧡
 
What gets me is she's really peaceful, not moving, laying there still and flat or slightly curved which is a good sign compared with her being up on her legs. I went to stroke her and she didn't react and her eyes didn't react, her head was a bit "bobbly" like there wasn't much resistance so I thought okay she's definitely going.

Then I go to leave the room, she hears the door and lifts her head and looks around. Then she turns around and walks back into her tunnel. And I'm like no floof :( if it's time to go please go. We're alright. Please don't try anymore floof. You don't need to do piggy things or try to eat or follow me. You can't eat anymore. Please go to sleep. Now she walked through the tunnel sticking her head out the end close to me looking around, then "flopped" flat with her chin on the floor. Which seems less of an intentional flop and more of a collapse flop.

I want to comfort her but if I check on her or stroke her I feel like she comes around and does something small instead of going closer to the bridge. I'd love to see her walk out her tunnel and go eat hay or nuggets like every time we worried about her quality of life and if she was okay because she'd been asleep most the time we were around then we turned around and she'd run around the cage and was drinking water/eating and begging for food. But I know it won't be this time. She needs her forever sleep :(

Demi's gone up to her and laid down next to where she is flat out, staring right at me, giving me a look! In fact the others are dotted around the cage laying in the other tunnels but all facing this way and they're all staring straight at me. Can they tell I'm upset? Are they upset? Are they telling me to help her by taking her to the vet, to leave her alone or to pull myself together? I've got judgemental, sad, side eyes.
 
Zanzan said:
Hugs to you, being with a pig who is passing can feel very lonely. Oreo sounds like she is comfortable and surrounded by love after reaching a grand age, which is what any pig would ask for 🧡
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Thank you. That's reassuring. She does appear comfortable. Her body is relaxed and laid flat out in the warm.

Also, I'm sorry to everyone on the forum for my spamming and emotional outpouring. If it wasn't obvious, I process things through talking them through.

Would like to know if/what Demi is trying to communicate to me through staring right at me. Other than maybe being sad keeping guard over her older cage mate.
 
Watching a piggy pass away isn’t easy.
You are giving Oreo a good end by allowing her to slip peacefully away in her own home with her companions.
Please carry on spamming - as @Zanzan said, this is what the forum is for, to support each other.
We understand how it feels.
Holding you in my heart ♥️
 
Merab's Slave said:
Watching a piggy pass away isn’t easy.
You are giving Oreo a good end by allowing her to slip peacefully away in her own home with her companions.
Please carry on spamming - as @Zanzan said, this is what the forum is for, to support each other.
We understand how it feels.
Holding you in my heart ♥️
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Any idea how long is too long to wait for her to pass peacefully at home? I hope she’s not in any discomfort or distress even though she seems peaceful.

I wonder if they understand that they are dying, if they just know they’re very poorly or if they’re wanting to do normal piggy things like eat/walk but they don’t know why they can’t? Would that be distressing for them? Or are they just really sleepy and out of it that it doesn’t bother them?

Or showed signs that she didn’t want much by mouth this morning around 10am although she had a long drink of water when I held the bottle for her around 2/3pm and she had down a little walk but was wobbly/difficult. When I have her her last painkillers around 5pm she didn’t want water, support food or meds, tried to eat her lettuce but couldn’t.

She’s moved herself out of the tunnel where she’s been all day on a soft bed on top of a snuggle safe. Every now and then she pushed herself along the ground an inch, staying sprawled flat. And stayed there. Now she walked with effort a couple of feet into a far corner and laid down under the droopy blanket next to where Demi is eating hay.
 
When Phoebe passed away she had been in her tunnel, hiding away, but then came out into the open.
No-one can say how long is too long to wait, but in my experience of death amongst humans people often choose their moment which is sometimes sooner than we expect, but sometimes later.
Only you can decide whether you want to wait or to take her to the vet.
There is no right or wrong decision- whatever you decide will be right because you love Oreo

🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
 
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