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I Think Beans Has Bloat Now..

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Beans&Toast

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I am having an absolute nightmare right now.

All the issues I'm having with Toast with the dental problems and now bloat (for which I have Emeprid and infacol) it now seems that Beans has bloat also.
She's not done any poos since early this morning.
She's eating hay and drinking water and wandering around but she does feel slightly rounded like she may be bloated.

As I already have Emeprid and infacol for Toast would I be able to go ahead and give some to Beans too?

I've spent close to £700 in a month on Toast and I'd really struggle for anymore (unless absolutely necessary of course) so if I can avoid another £25.99 at the vets to be told Beans has bloat, I already have the medication can I just give her it the same as Toast?
 
I am having an absolute nightmare right now.

All the issues I'm having with Toast with the dental problems and now bloat (for which I have Emeprid and infacol) it now seems that Beans has bloat also.
She's not done any poos since early this morning.
She's eating hay and drinking water and wandering around but she does feel slightly rounded like she may be bloated.

As I already have Emeprid and infacol for Toast would I be able to go ahead and give some to Beans too?

I've spent close to £700 in a month on Toast and I'd really struggle for anymore (unless absolutely necessary of course) so if I can avoid another £25.99 at the vets to be told Beans has bloat, I already have the medication can I just give her it the same as Toast?

If Beans is still eating and drinking, then her guts are sill working. You can give her emeprid and infacol as too, if she is bloating. You can also try gripe water from the baby section of a supermarket, as that tends to dispserse the gas instead of gathering it into one big bubble, as infacol does. It is a matter of finding out which of them works better for your piggy in my own experience.
 
If Beans is still eating and drinking, then her guts are sill working. You can give her emeprid and infacol as too, if she is bloating. You can also try gripe water from the baby section of a supermarket, as that tends to dispserse the gas instead of gathering it into one big bubble, as infacol does. It is a matter of finding out which of them works better for your piggy in my own experience.
Thanks for the quick reply.
She is eating hay and pellets but no poos since this morning and when I felt her belly it felt slightly rounded and she seems irritated by me prodding.
Toast has been given Emeprid 1ml twice daily and infacol 0.2mls 3 times daily so should I use the same dosage for Beans?
 
Thanks for the quick reply.
She is eating hay and pellets but no poos since this morning and when I felt her belly it felt slightly rounded and she seems irritated by me prodding.
Toast has been given Emeprid 1ml twice daily and infacol 0.2mls 3 times daily so should I use the same dosage for Beans?

Yes.
 
Try getting her out and giving her lots of floor time. Lots of movement tends to help. I've even resorted to taking them out in the car as jiggling them around in their carriers have helped the poops flow.
 
You can use an electric toothbrush handle held gently against her tummy, or sit her on a massage mat or take her out for a car ride as already mentioned. You could also very gently stroke her tummy, this used to help my Petal produce poops. Bloat is serious though & if you suspect it I would take her to the vets, in some cases it can kill & it can happen very quickly x
 
Oh boy, you are having a rubbish time -big hugs. I agree completely with @Wiebke. Connie gets bouts of bloat and I spring into action with the meds and massage straight away. Healing vibes to you and the girls xx
 
Thanks everyone for your advice.
After one 0.5mls of Emeprid and one 0.2mls of infacol and a lot of running aroundy hall there are lots of poos :yahoo:
I'll still give the other half of the meds for tonight and keep giving her belly rubs :nod:

How long should I continue the meds with Beans for?
Is Emeprid/infacol something that can be given if and when required?
As opposed to ABs which need a full week or fortnight..?
 
Thanks everyone for your advice.
After one 0.5mls of Emeprid and one 0.2mls of infacol and a lot of running aroundy hall there are lots of poos :yahoo:
I'll still give the other half of the meds for tonight and keep giving her belly rubs :nod:

How long should I continue the meds with Beans for?
Is Emeprid/infacol something that can be given if and when required?
As opposed to ABs which need a full week or fortnight..?

As Beans only has light bloat, I would recommend to not overdo it and stop once she is normal again. You can use emeprid, gripe water and infacol at need, but I would be careful about falling into the trap of using it on spec. It is not a full medications course like with antibiotics or ivermectin.

If mild bloating issues recur, it is worth lookng at your diet and checking whether there are some trigger foods like grain based pellets or certain veg.
 
Heya, I would just like to share a tidbit of interesting, if not extremely useful information that may help you.
I've never really had a guinea pig with proper bloat before, however today I believe tabby, my old lady piggy, had just that today, or at least her poops were not forthcoming and she was a little rounded and sounded hollow to a tap, I checked to see if she had an appetite, which she did, but she definitely was somewhat bloaty as she increased in girth and gassiness after eating and still no poops and she rapidly lost her appitite as she got more bloated.

I was struck by inspiration and gave her a long soak in a warm bath (no shampooing or anything, just warm water) and massage, she very quickly responded with a huge pile of (slightly odd long and thin)poops and lots of rearward bubbles! Genuinely was amazed at how well it worked, she was bothered by the bath and the massaging, but ultimately she's much more comfortable for it and back to her old self. Not sure if it works on all cases of bloat but it certainly did an excellent job here, I'm pretty gob smacked that I found nothing on this when I went searching given how immediate the relief was for her! Still going to keep an eye on her to see if it recurs as it may point to another underlying problem, but for the moment, I'm just happy she's comfortable and not suffering from a blockage.
 
I'm sorry to hear your piggies have bloat. Unfortunately mine get it all the time, so I'm beginning to feel relatively experienced with dealing with gassy pigs! I've probably had to deal with gas bloat on at least 30 occasions now, unfortunately. I don't want to say 'don't use infacol' because clearly it worked for you, and many owners and forum members seem to use it. I don't personally, because I've read in a number of places that it could potentially make the problem worse. Infacol works by making little gas bubbles into one big gas bubble, so that human babies can burp them out. Unfortunately piggies can't burp, and I have read somewhere that it causes a bigger gas bubble in their intestine, potentially making them more uncomfortable. This information my be incorrect - I'm not sure. But I avoid infacol personally.
The best things I've used are 1) Metaclopramide and 2) Ranitidine, both of which are unfortunately only available from the vet. These are both motility drugs. One of my boys is around 1.1kg, and has about 1ml Metaclopramide and 0.3mls of Ranitidine every 12 hours, making sure there is a two hour gap between the Metaclopramide and Ranitidine as apparently they don't interact well. For severe bloat, I have also had to take piggies to a vet to be deflated - they take xrays then stick a needle in them to get the gas out and release the pressure!
I feel there isn't much substitute for having 'proper' meds, but there are things around the house that can help: my vet told me that pineapple juice works well. I give my piggies around 2 - 3mls of normal pineapple juice a few times a day when they have bloat. I think there is a chemical or enzyme or something in pineapple juice that stimulates the gut. Fresh juice may be best, but cartoned is fine also. If my piggies are not producing poos, I also give them about 0.3mls of olive oil two or three times a day - preferably not at the same time as giving them any liquids (as they don't mix!). Again, this is something I've read can reduce constipation and bloat.
Also exercising the piggy, and vibrating it really helps a lot. I use my partners XBox controller, and set up 'force feedback' on the computer so that it vibrates continuously. I then wrap this in a towel and have my piggy lie across it for around 20 minutes. I also get him out a lot to walk around.
It's also important to syringe feed your pig while it has bloat/isn't eating. They really need to get good fibre back into their system, and get their guts working properly again. Syringe food can be bought from a vets (mine supply 'Supreme Science - Recovery Plus'), but you can also just soak their normal pellets in warm water, and mash with a fork or blend. It can be fed with a syringe, or some people have said it can be sucked up a straw and administered that way if there is no syringe available.
The other thing is to get friendly bacteria back into your sick piggies gut, which helps restore their digestion back to normal. The home prepared version of this is a bit gross - 'poop soup', which basically involves taking a very fresh poo from a pig that is healthy and well, soaking in a little warm water, and syringe feeding. The alternative is to purchase a guinea pig probiotic such as 'Vetarc: Pro-C Probiotic' which I get from Pets at Home. ProC Probiotic 100gm | Pets At Home I don't ever put in their drinking bottle, I either mix with water as instructed and syringe feed, or sprinkle the powder on food.
The last think I can suggest is diet. I had to cut out all gassy veggies (brocolli, kale, cabbage, pak choi etc.). Then I also had to cut out all fruit. Mine were still getting bloat, so a vet (and my friend who is a vet nurse) suggested that I also cut out any veg with a high sugar content, as sugar ferments in the stomach and may produce gas in particularly sensitive individuals. So I had to do away with red and yellow peppers and had to offer very little carrot/ tomato etc. I wouldn't suggest at this stage that you need to go this crazy with cutting back on things, it's just mine are clearly very sensitive. I have recently been suggested by GP forum members that I switch to wheat/ grain free pellets, as mine may be intolerant to grain. So now I'm trying that as well........

Large amounts of great quality hay is also really important - Oxbow timothy hay is expensive, but so worth it!

Sorry for the incredibly long post, but I hope some of it helps....
 
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Oh just one more thing to add - there was one episode where my pig was losing weight, and kept getting bloat/ GI stasis. My vets just couldn't workout why. He lost 300 grams. I thought I was going to lose him. I went to see an exotic/ guinea pig specialist. They did lots of tests and xrays, checked his teeth under anaesthetic etc. It ended up he had an acute inner ear infection, that can only be detected from an xray, and normal vets aren't trained to identify. The pain from this meant he wasn't eating his pellets properly,leading to weight loss, GI stasis and bloat. That was a £400 vet bill, but it got to the bottom of it on that occasion - he was treated, as is fine now!
 
How is toast getting on @Beans&Toast ?

@Blobfish i never knew metaclop and zantac can interact.. Do you have any more info on that? I have an elderly piggy that suffers from recurring "gassy" episodes (not full bloat) but a dose of metoclop (low dose) and zantac usually sort her out.. But i always give at the same time and no vet has ever told me otherwise.. And fudge and i have seen a lot of vets!
 
How is toast getting on @Beans&Toast ?

@Blobfish i never knew metaclop and zantac can interact.. Do you have any more info on that? I have an elderly piggy that suffers from recurring "gassy" episodes (not full bloat) but a dose of metoclop (low dose) and zantac usually sort her out.. But i always give at the same time and no vet has ever told me otherwise.. And fudge and i have seen a lot of vets!
She seems to be doing better, thanks.:nod:
The bloat seems to be sorted as she's pooing/eating normally now.
She's booked in for her dental work tomorrow morning at 9 so I'm hoping all goes well, and as Toast has somehow started being able to chew pellets again after a week of not being able to and me feeding her CC, I'm hoping her teeth are fine and maybe she was being off with the food due to pain from bloat? I'm just hoping for the best I think! X
 
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How is toast getting on @Beans&Toast ?

@Blobfish i never knew metaclop and zantac can interact.. Do you have any more info on that? I have an elderly piggy that suffers from recurring "gassy" episodes (not full bloat) but a dose of metoclop (low dose) and zantac usually sort her out.. But i always give at the same time and no vet has ever told me otherwise.. And fudge and i have seen a lot of vets!
I don't think there is a serious interaction between metoclopramide (emeprid) and ranitidine (zantac) but l believe their effectiveness can be reduced if given together. I usually space the doses by a few hours, it makes sense to have them staggered as you get an ongoing gentle gut stimulant effect rather than a huge surge!
 
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I don't think there is a serious interaction between metoclopramide (emeprid) and ranitidine (zantac) but l believe their effectiveness can be reduced if given together. I usually space the doses by a few hours, it makes sense to have them staggered as you get an ongoing gentle gut stimulant effect rather than a huge surge!

Makes sense, thank you!
 
If your piggy seems to be getting over the bloat I would personally stop the Zantac and just continue with the Emeprid if that is still needed.

Zantac can slow the GI tract, so it's not always suitable for bloat pigs.
 
How is toast getting on @Beans&Toast ?

@Blobfish i never knew metaclop and zantac can interact.. Do you have any more info on that? I have an elderly piggy that suffers from recurring "gassy" episodes (not full bloat) but a dose of metoclop (low dose) and zantac usually sort her out.. But i always give at the same time and no vet has ever told me otherwise.. And fudge and i have seen a lot of vets!


Hi everyone,
So I have an update on this. My normal vet told me to space Metaclopramide and ranitidine 2 hours apart. Today I have just got back from seeing a guinea pig specialist (exotic specialist vet). He said that you don't need to space them apart by 2 hours. He gave me the pharmacological reasoning, but I can't remember all the ins and outs as it was quite technical! So forget what I said above about the 2 hour gap, the specialist will definitely be more knowledgeable on this matter than my normal vet. It's not going to hurt spacing them out, but it's not necessary either. He also cleared up my doubts over using infacol - it's fine to use. He said he would give 0.2 - 0.3mls. Apparently it can only work if the bloat is in the stomach area, not if it's further on in the caecum (towards the large intestine). So this is probably why it works for some people and not others - it depends on where the gas is trapped. But it is safe to use at those doses. I was also told about the importance of providing pain relief too - i.e. Loxicom. A 'normal' vet told me that I shouldn't give Loxicom as it slows down the gut, but the specialist today said to ignore that - it only slows down the gut if used regularly over long periods, but in the event of an emergency like bloat, pain relief is highly important. I was also told today that Cisipride may be another drug to use, and is usually the most effective when bloat is lower down in the caecum.

There always seems to be conflicting information given by vets,partly because guinea pigs are seen as 'exotics' and regular vets receive relatively little training about them, especially for complicated issues. But as mentioned, the place I went to today was a leading specialist, so I trust their opinion....
 
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