Hermoines eye, help!

[Penelopes mummy]

Sorry this is so long wanted to include all info.

Poor Hermoine was diagnosed with mites (walking dandruff) all 3 piggies have had their 1st dose of Xeno 50 last Tuesday. F10 used and blankets washed at 60.

Original vet when called on Thursday (as Hermione‘s eye was worse) said carry on with treatment, 2 weeks and then 4 and bathe eye in boiled salt water.

I called another vet, was given antibiotics and anti inflammatory on Friday afternoon and told I could treat again for mites 1 week after the original dose although I’m not sure how to follow on after that( waiting for an answer from the vet) I was told if it doesn’t improve I can get a ring ring worm test. Most expensive one has to be sent away and has 100% accurate whereas the slightly cheaper one in-house is only 60% accurate but seems a bit odd that they were even offer it plus the treatment is heavy on her liver. ( Doesn’t sound good) I used a shampoo Malaseb on my cats before when I had ringworm to prevent them getting it! (Plus the vet said about how Hermione has a lump, maybe ovarian cyst and we should have a scan and a spay. I was horrified at the cost of all of this and already stressed about how she is and after having a look online including on here it seems like a lot of piggies have the cysts anyway and Are just fine.)

Anyway her eye is just so much worse, she won’t stop scratching. I’ve posted two pictures one before I popped her outside For a couple of hours and one when I brought her in. Her claws arnt bloody though so I guess she must be rubbing it against something. I don’t know what to do. How is it ever supposed to get better if she won’t stop scratching . We have CLX wipes. I am reluctant to put that on her right now because I think it might sting.

She is okay eating drinking pooing.

 

[Merab]

Ouch - poor girl.
I can’t add any advice but wanted to offer support

 

[Wiebke]

Sorry this is so long wanted to include all info.

Poor Hermoine was diagnosed with mites (walking dandruff) all 3 piggies have had their 1st dose of Xeno 50 last Tuesday. F10 used and blankets washed at 60.

Original vet when called on Thursday (as Hermione‘s eye was worse) said carry on with treatment, 2 weeks and then 4 and bathe eye in boiled salt water.

I called another vet, was given antibiotics and anti inflammatory on Friday afternoon and told I could treat again for mites 1 week after the original dose although I’m not sure how to follow on after that( waiting for an answer from the vet) I was told if it doesn’t improve I can get a ring ring worm test. Most expensive one has to be sent away and has 100% accurate whereas the slightly cheaper one in-house is only 60% accurate but seems a bit odd that they were even offer it plus the treatment is heavy on her liver. ( Doesn’t sound good) I used a shampoo Malaseb on my cats before when I had ringworm to prevent them getting it! (Plus the vet said about how Hermione has a lump, maybe ovarian cyst and we should have a scan and a spay. I was horrified at the cost of all of this and already stressed about how she is and after having a look online including on here it seems like a lot of piggies have the cysts anyway and Are just fine.)

Anyway her eye is just so much worse, she won’t stop scratching. I’ve posted two pictures one before I popped her outside For a couple of hours and one when I brought her in. Her claws arnt bloody though so I guess she must be rubbing it against something. I don’t know what to do. How is it ever supposed to get better if she won’t stop scratching . We have CLX wipes. I am reluctant to put that on her right now because I think it might sting.

She is okay eating drinking pooing.

Hi

Your piggy looks like she has a case of ringworm which may need further appropriate antifungal treatment since ivermectin can temporarily suppress the symptoms but not heal them. It will flare up again as soon as any other treatment wears off.
The bloody spots happen when the fungal exudate crust comes off with the top layer of the skin and should heal over quickly.


The problem with ringworm is not so much the fungal infection itself but the thousands of long-lived invisibly tiny spores that are shed from an acute ringworm patch and that can cause a new infection patch up to about 2 years later. Ringworm is the single most contagious species jumping issue (including to and from humans) you can come across. If treated incorrectly, this can quickly turn into a truly epic and exhausting saga.

You will also have to treat any companions because they are likely already infected, too; and so could you be. The time between infection and actual outbreak is 10-14 days in the case of ringworm.

In 15 years of this forum we have had plenty of opportunity to work out what works and what not; and how to best get on top of it once and for all. It also contains tips on how to avoid catching and spreading ringworm yourself. If you follow the advice in the guide link carefully, it DOES really work - we have seen this repeatedly; and also what happens if ringworm is not dealt with correctly.
Also have a look at the pictures in the last chapter; they should look familiar to you!
Ringworm: Hygiene, Care And Pictures

PS: How piggy savvy are the vets you are seeing? Malaseb shampoo does work against ringworm although it can make the eye swell really badly for a few hours if applied too close to it - which is a classic ringworm spot. But a single application is not enough.

 

[Tnoz]

Aww poor baby looks painful sending hugs

 

[Penelopes mummy]

Hi

Your piggy looks like she has a case of ringworm which may need further appropriate antifungal treatment since ivermectin can temporarily suppress the symptoms but not heal them. It will flare up again as soon as any other treatment wears off.
The bloody spots happen when the fungal exudate crust comes off with the top layer of the skin and should heal over quickly.


The problem with ringworm is not so much the fungal infection itself but the thousands of long-lived invisibly tiny spores that are shed from an acute ringworm patch and that can cause a new infection patch up to about 2 years later. Ringworm is the single most contagious species jumping issue (including to and from humans) you can come across. If treated incorrectly, this can quickly turn into a truly epic and exhausting saga.

You will also have to treat any companions because they are likely already infected, too; and so could you be. The time between infection and actual outbreak is 10-14 days in the case of ringworm.

In 15 years of this forum we have had plenty of opportunity to work out what works and what not; and how to best get on top of it once and for all. It also contains tips on how to avoid catching and spreading ringworm yourself. If you follow the advice in the guide link carefully, it DOES really work - we have seen this repeatedly; and also what happens if ringworm is not dealt with correctly.
Also have a look at the pictures in the last chapter; they should look familiar to you!
Ringworm: Hygiene, Care And Pictures

PS: How piggy savvy are the vets you are seeing? Malaseb shampoo does work against ringworm although it can make the eye swell really badly for a few hours if applied too close to it - which is a classic ringworm spot. But a single application is no

Hi

Your piggy looks like she has a case of ringworm which may need further appropriate antifungal treatment since ivermectin can temporarily suppress the symptoms but not heal them. It will flare up again as soon as any other treatment wears off.
The bloody spots happen when the fungal exudate crust comes off with the top layer of the skin and should heal over quickly.


The problem with ringworm is not so much the fungal infection itself but the thousands of long-lived invisibly tiny spores that are shed from an acute ringworm patch and that can cause a new infection patch up to about 2 years later. Ringworm is the single most contagious species jumping issue (including to and from humans) you can come across. If treated incorrectly, this can quickly turn into a truly epic and exhausting saga.

You will also have to treat any companions because they are likely already infected, too; and so could you be. The time between infection and actual outbreak is 10-14 days in the case of ringworm.

In 15 years of this forum we have had plenty of opportunity to work out what works and what not; and how to best get on top of it once and for all. It also contains tips on how to avoid catching and spreading ringworm yourself. If you follow the advice in the guide link carefully, it DOES really work - we have seen this repeatedly; and also what happens if ringworm is not dealt with correctly.
Also have a look at the pictures in the last chapter; they should look familiar to you!
Ringworm: Hygiene, Care And Pictures

PS: How piggy savvy are the vets you are seeing? Malaseb shampoo does work against ringworm although it can make the eye swell really badly for a few hours if applied too close to it - which is a classic ringworm spot. But a single application is not enough.

Going back to the exotic vets tomorrow for ringworm test this time

 

[weepweeps]

Bless her. Hope she’s on the mend soon.

 

[Wiebke]

PLEASE take the time to read our ringworm guide and follow the very specific hygiene measures in there to get on top of the spores once and for all.

 

[Free Ranger]

...and take heart. If you are in the UK you should have access to the oral medication mentioned in the excellent guide linked above. Write down the names of the treatments and discuss with your vet. I would be very nervous about using any shampoo so close to the eye.

Did they actually have mites too? Were they able to spot them under a microcope? Or was it a guess based on her itching and her poor eye. Xeno mini 50 is usually used for young pigs which are much smaller because dose is based on bodyweight. We get the xeno 450 for min weight 1.2kg animals, but with slightly smaller pigs I've just put a bit less on measured out in a syringe. It's cheaper that way. You would have needed quite a lot of mini50 for an adult pig? I only ask because ovarian cysts are usually a problem of mature sows... Putting a second dose on after a week is also a bit weird. Mites are usually 3 treatments 2 weeks apart. Hmmm....

The lump can wait till her poor eye is sorted - there is another excellent guide on here about ovarian cysts and it is worth noting that some types might be treated with hormone injections rather than surgery, and that a full spay is not always necessary - but this will depend on your piggies individual circumstances
Sows: Behaviour and female health problems (including ovarian cysts)

If you are happy to put your location in the side panel it might help any future discussions about finding vets with spaying experience!

 

[Penelopes mummy]

...and take heart. If you are in the UK you should have access to the oral medication mentioned in the excellent guide linked above. Write down the names of the treatments and discuss with your vet. I would be very nervous about using any shampoo so close to the eye.

Did they actually have mites too? Were they able to spot them under a microcope? Or was it a guess based on her itching and her poor eye. Xeno mini 50 is usually used for young pigs which are much smaller because dose is based on bodyweight. We get the xeno 450 for min weight 1.2kg animals, but with slightly smaller pigs I've just put a bit less on measured out in a syringe. It's cheaper that way. You would have needed quite a lot of mini50 for an adult pig? I only ask because ovarian cysts are usually a problem of mature sows... Putting a second dose on after a week is also a bit weird. Mites are usually 3 treatments 2 weeks apart. Hmmm....

The lump can wait till her poor eye is sorted - there is another excellent guide on here about ovarian cysts and it is worth noting that some types might be treated with hormone injections rather than surgery, and that a full spay is not always necessary - but this will depend on your piggies individual circumstances
Sows: Behaviour and female health problems (including ovarian cysts)

If you are happy to put your location in the side panel it might help any future discussions about finding vets with spaying experience!

So sorry I read your message before I forgot to reply anyway after all this time the Area on the one hand is healing with the hair growing back but hair loss and scabby skin has extended a little bit more. No blood, no scratching though. Other 2 pigs are fine. My 2 babies are still in a separate room. We didn’t do a ring worm test earlier on because we ask the vet and they said it doesn’t look like ring worm. Only done one the last few days just to make sure as well as testing for parasites and I’ve just got a call from Vets and we’ve still got no answer on what the problem is! I was using xeno 50 which seemed a ridiculous amount of drops and the vet assured me that it was okay. However I have ordered some 450 now. vet is going to ask for a second opinion. They are an exotic Vets

 

[Wiebke]

So sorry I read your message before I forgot to reply anyway after all this time the Area on the one hand is healing with the hair growing back but hair loss and scabby skin has extended a little bit more. No blood, no scratching though. Other 2 pigs are fine. My 2 babies are still in a separate room. We didn’t do a ring worm test earlier on because we ask the vet and they said it doesn’t look like ring worm. Only done one the last few days just to make sure as well as testing for parasites and I’ve just got a call from Vets and we’ve still got no answer on what the problem is! I was using xeno 50 which seemed a ridiculous amount of drops and the vet assured me that it was okay. However I have ordered some 450 now. vet is going to ask for a second opinion. They are an exotic Vets

Ringworm testing can often be non-conclusive; it doesn't mean that your piggies do not have it. Ivermectin can only suppress it temporarily/slow it down a bit but not heal it.

I would strongly suggest that after 5 weeks of this issue rumbling on unresolved that you treat for a fungal skin infection with a medicated dip or anti-fungal shampoo that is not precription-only in order to spare your piggies any further discomfort. If it is not clear whether you are dealing with parasites or fungal, most vets will treat for both to be on the safe side. Since ivermectin has not cleared up the problem, it is now time for you to do this, too.
You can find practical information re. treatments in this guide link here: Ringworm: Hygiene, Care And Pictures

 

[Wiebke]

Ringworm testing can often be non-conclusive; it doesn't mean that your piggies do not have it. Ivermectin can only suppress it temporarily/slow it down a bit but not heal it.

I would strongly suggest that after 5 weeks of this issue rumbling on unresolved that you treat for a fungal skin infection with a medicated dip or anti-fungal shampoo that is not precription-only in order to spare your piggies any further discomfort. If it is not clear whether you are dealing with parasites or fungal, most vets will treat for both to be on the safe side. Since ivermectin has not cleared up the problem, it is now time for you to do this, too.
You can find practical information re. treatments in this guide link here: Ringworm: Hygiene, Care And Pictures

PS: Nizoral (or a generic product) is a human fungal/anti-dandruff shampoo that you should find in pharmacies in many countries. It is rather harsh on the skin (especially as it human ph) but it does work for people without vet access or if vet treatment has not brought any results and you are running out of options. Three applications (with three days in between each; if necessary one more) should hopefully do the trick. The ringworm guide will tell you how to spot when an acute infection is over.

Please be aware that fungal shampoos too close to the eyes can make them swell up badly, so please only use a cotton bud with the suds by the eyes, ears, mouth and nose area but try to cover the whole body to remove any spores and stop any secondary infections from becoming acute (from spores on the bedding etc.) Wait between 10-15 minutes between application and rinsing.
Here are our practical bathing tips (including how to prevent accidents and escapes from freaked out piggies: Bathing (including cleaning grease glands)

 

[Bill & Ted]

Sending healing vibes, poor little Heroines x