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help us - broken leg?

miloandschnapp

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My skinny pig has very likely broken his leg. We have taken him to the vet and they believe it is quite high up, so therefore having a splint isn’t really an option. We can either have him amputated but in that case he would have to go under anaesthesia and I know that is quite high risk, or we sadly put him down. Any thought?
 
Hello and welcome to the forum. I’m so sorry your piggy has had an accident. Has the vet done xrays to make sure it’s broken. There was a piggy on here called Milton I think who had a leg amputated and he managed just fine. How old is your piggy? Search for the thread called Limping and read about Milton. Good luck.
 
Hi, amputation was recently discussed on another post: Osteomyelitis in Guinea Pigs

Different health problem, same dilemma. Hope the link works!

I'm not a forum expert but I have had a guinea pig have a leg amputated before (I wrote about it in the post linked). Our only other option was PTS, so we opted to give the surgery a go - PTS as an option can always be revisited later if things aren't going well. For me, assuming that my pig's pre-injury health, my finances, and vet's skill allowed, I would personally risk the surgery again for the chance of an almost normal life for my piggie.
 
I think if your vet is experienced with piggy surgeries, then it is worth going ahead and giving your boy a chance.
Anasthesia, done by an experienced vet in an otherwise health piggy is really not that risky.

We have members on here who had surgeries done on elderly frail piggies and they have pulled through just fine.

Has the break been confirmed by x-ray?
What does your vet feel the long term prognosis would be?

If it were me I would want to give my piggy the chance, but remember that you know your own piggy best so only you can really decide what is best for you and him.
 
Milo hasn’t had an x-ray yet as she thinks it would be best to get all done once (op and x-ray) rather than put him through anaesthesia twice. We saw an emergency vet last night who said she felt crunching and our local vet today also agrees it’s broken. Otherwise he is happy and healthy and he is still eating and pooing. Not sure whether we leave it and put him on pain medication, as if in the future it doesn’t work we can review our other options, but as the break is so high up we are not too sure how well amputation will work. We can get an x-ray and have his leg pinned or we do the worst option and have him put down. She would refer us to an exotics vet who said the risk of anaesthesia was 1 in 25 piggies don’t pull through.
 
Milo hasn’t had an x-ray yet as she thinks it would be best to get all done once (op and x-ray) rather than put him through anaesthesia twice. We saw an emergency vet last night who said she felt crunching and our local vet today also agrees it’s broken. Otherwise he is happy and healthy and he is still eating and pooing. Not sure whether we leave it and put him on pain medication, as if in the future it doesn’t work we can review our other options, but as the break is so high up we are not too sure how well amputation will work. We can get an x-ray and have his leg pinned or we do the worst option and have him put down. She would refer us to an exotics vet who said the risk of anaesthesia was 1 in 25 piggies don’t pull through.
It is great he will be seen by a specialist vet - that will help a lot.
I am sure things will also become clearer when you can see the x-ray - clearly the location and type of break will influence the treatment offer (amputation, pinning, resetting).

It's a difficult decision to make, but you are clearly doing all you can right now - hopefully piggy is on a high dose of painkillers while you wait?

What I would also say is please don't put too much stock in the anaesthetic stats. In the UK (and indeed most countries) these are actually very inaccurate, as they are not really representative of the piggy population as a whole.
Here in Switzerland (where almost 50% of all piggies undergo anaesthesia), the general stats on anaesthesia in guinea pigs are less than 1 in a 150 piggies will have problems while under anaesthetic.

The problem with stats like this in the UK is that firstly very few piggies ever actually see a vet. Many of those that do are already very ill, as signs of illness can be subtle and easily missed, or owners will put off the vet with home remedies for as long as possible to save money.
Those that do see a vet are often just pts when problems are deemed complex, as many general vets do not have the experience to treat these problems (see earlier comment about very few piggies ever actually seeing a vet).
Additionally even those piggies that do see a vet often don't receive treatment as many owners are not prepared to spend hundreds of pounds on an animal that cost them 20 pounds. Sad but also true.
So overall guinea pig anaesthesia in the UK is often done on piggies who are already very ill, and by vets who have limited experience in this area, and sent home to owners who may not have a full understanding of the complex post op care needs, hence the odds are not really in their favour.

If you take your individual case - a heathy, younger piggy who is eating and drinking independently, will be operated on by an experienced vet and returned home to an experienced owner who can offer suitable care than I would think the risk is far, far lower than quoted.
 
It is great he will be seen by a specialist vet - that will help a lot.
I am sure things will also become clearer when you can see the x-ray - clearly the location and type of break will influence the treatment offer (amputation, pinning, resetting).

It's a difficult decision to make, but you are clearly doing all you can right now - hopefully piggy is on a high dose of painkillers while you wait?

What I would also say is please don't put too much stock in the anaesthetic stats. In the UK (and indeed most countries) these are actually very inaccurate, as they are not really representative of the piggy population as a whole.
Here in Switzerland (where almost 50% of all piggies undergo anaesthesia), the general stats on anaesthesia in guinea pigs are less than 1 in a 150 piggies will have problems while under anaesthetic.

The problem with stats like this in the UK is that firstly very few piggies ever actually see a vet. Many of those that do are already very ill, as signs of illness can be subtle and easily missed, or owners will put off the vet with home remedies for as long as possible to save money.
Those that do see a vet are often just pts when problems are deemed complex, as many general vets do not have the experience to treat these problems (see earlier comment about very few piggies ever actually seeing a vet).
Additionally even those piggies that do see a vet often don't receive treatment as many owners are not prepared to spend hundreds of pounds on an animal that cost them 20 pounds. Sad but also true.
So overall guinea pig anaesthesia in the UK is often done on piggies who are already very ill, and by vets who have limited experience in this area, and sent home to owners who may not have a full understanding of the complex post op care needs, hence the odds are not really in their favour.

If you take your individual case - a heathy, younger piggy who is eating and drinking independently, will be operated on by an experienced vet and returned home to an experienced owner who can offer suitable care than I would think the risk is far, far lower than quoted.
Thankyou for this, has really helped with the statistics. As they are skinny pigs (fur-less piggies) I don’t know if this will change anything. However we have just put him in the cage to see how he would get on and he didn’t move so leaving the fracture is not an option as it wouldn’t be fair on him. Exotics vet doesn’t have an open slot until tomorrow morning to get x-ray anyways, as we would rather get all done in one with top anaesthesia rather than take the small risk twice. Options are now operation or take him back to our local vet to be put down tonight. As he is so young and still eating etc I think we are going to try operation but still not sure as financially it is a lot. Thankyou:)
 
If it eases your mind at all, we had an extremely unwell guinea pig have general anaesthetic to get blood tests, x rays and ultrasounds done. I can’t really express how sick and frail he was at that point and he came through the GA absolutely fine.

I’ve also just had a healthy guinea pig under GA twice in one week and he came through both with no problems.

Good luck to your piggie!
 
My skinny pig has very likely broken his leg. We have taken him to the vet and they believe it is quite high up, so therefore having a splint isn’t really an option. We can either have him amputated but in that case he would have to go under anaesthesia and I know that is quite high risk, or we sadly put him down. Any thought?

Hi!

I am very sorry for the accident.

Please have an x-ray done and have him operated if there is indeed a break.

'Tripod piggies' can have a perfectly good and active normal life. There is quite a number in rescues that are keeping up just fine with their mates. ;)

Please also accept that operation practice, techniques and experience with small animals has moved on A LOT over the last decade. The vast majority of operations are actually successful these days.

When making your online research, you have to always allow for the fact that what you get are inevitably all the horror stories and some miracle treatment but what nobody posts about is the overwhelming majority of perfectly normal recoveries because they are simply accepted as par for the course and not considered worth posting about.A lot of new owners, especially with pet anxiety, fall into this trap because they lack the corrective of a wider experience.

Even our own Health/Illness section is not quite an adequate representation of reality because we are very often contacted when there are issues but not over perfectly normal recoveries. ;)

Would you really want to put your piggy to a certain death just because of your own fears of a much smaller risk of him not surviving his operation? This is one situation where there is no easy way out but you and your piggy have a lot more to gain with an operation and everything to lose with euthanasia; especially if your boy is otherwise fit and healthy.

All the best!

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Hi everyone. Thought I would update on Milo. We took him to the specialist vet today and they were so lovely and useful. They did the x-ray without anaesthetic luckily and it was a definite break near his thigh (very high up) and the bone was cracking. Vet was very honest and said no point doing an operation as he didn’t think it would go well with a splint due to its cracking it might move around. He said best thing to do was wait 8 weeks for it to heal. Obviously it won’t heal fully but there should be some movement and vet said it would be better to do this as there is always the backup option of amputation if things don’t go well. The vet gave us lots of medication so there won’t be much pain, but Milo seems a lot more lively and seems to be doing well! Thankyou all for kind words :)
 
Glad that you now know where you are at and can take it from there! It makes it less frightening to know that any operation is only a fallback option but that splinting may help the leg to heal.

If you have any ramps that are the cause of the accident, then this guide here may help you: Ramps in Cages

If it is an accident from a blind jump, then the tips in these guides here can help you to avoid the risk of them in the future:
How To Pick Up And Weigh Your Guinea Pigs Safely
Understanding Prey Animal Instincts, Guinea Pig Whispering and Cuddling Tips

Practical advice for looking after a guinea pig with limited mobility: Looking after guinea pigs with limited or no mobility
 
My profile pic piggy had a leg break that was historic. He was found in an overcrowding situation and had evidently had an untreated broken leg. It healed with a bit of a lump but otherwise you would never have known. 🤞 your piggy has the same outcome (but with pain relief bless him)
 
Hey guys. Just wanted to ask if anyone has had a guinea pig go through recovery, did your piggy have down days and up days. Like one day they are doing amazing and the next not too good?
 
poor Milo hope it’s just a blip and he’s ok tomorrow. It may be pain that’s causing him to be off it. Weigh him daily to make sure he is eating enough food and if there is no change give the vet a call x
 
He ate all his pellets, hay and veggies through the night, as he’s more active then. We have him his medication which the vet said could make him sleep so we need to watch out for it and potentially reduce dosage. He is still moving a bit but not nearly as much as the past couple of days when he’s been super active. He hasn’t eaten today but I have been out since midday so might have eaten since. If no change we will call vet tonight, but hoping it’s the medication as normally when we give it to him he’s quite sleepy.
 
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