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Gwen's Sore Feet - Start of Bumblefoot? Heart?

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Gwenivere is my lovely deaf PEW girlie, an absolute sweetie but she seems to be quite prone to medical trouble. She's a rescue pig so age is uncertain, but it's thought she is around 4.

After bathing her this morning I had a good look over her and came across not one, but three very sore feet. I had been treating her back feet with Perfect Paws ointment and Nurofen as there was a little swelling around the joint of her hind leg and a lot of redness. I treated her for a week and it seemed to ease right off, so I stopped the treatment and a few days later, this is how it's developed:

GwenivereHindFeet.jpg


There is a 'scab' on there, hard to tell from the photo but it looks clear under the scab i.e it doesn't look like pus (yet, anyway). Lots of redness there though - well, purpleness if truth be told!

I checked her front feet. I had noticed before now that her toes were 'thinning' out, looking a bit more gnarled, which I felt was her age. But I wasn't expecting to see this:

GwennyFrontPaw.jpg


Her other front foot has the same problem, but to a lesser degree.

I suppose the yellow, 'crusty' part could be a foot spur but it is the condition of the foot pad itself that worries me and makes me wonder if it's actually the start of bumblefoot. The spurs I have cut off have a clear attachment to the pad, these two Gwen's got now seem to be part of a scab. There is a little swelling where the redness is. I'm reluctant to trim the ''spur'' off because I can see some redness, blood, pretty far down it...which again leads me to think it's not a spur at all.

Any ideas, anyone come across the same sort of thing before?

I am also wondering if she has heart trouble. I get exactly the same feeling with Gwen, as I did with Tuppy. I was sure Tuppy had heart trouble, all her symptoms pointed to it and I never got a diagnosis or treatment because I was told her heart sounded fine. With Gwen, the symptoms are along the same lines but a even more notable:

- Inactivity - she's a sedentary pig, always has been, and very quiet in character;
- Bouts of grumbly breathing - previously put down to allergy but questionable for heart problem;
- Not laying down - she will not lay down as every other pig does, instead hunching up on her feet to sleep and her breathing rocks her back and forth;
- Deep, heaving breathing from her sides;
- Changing ear colour - when stressed her ears go very pale (in the bath this morning, they were tinged with yellow right on the edges), and when sedentary they range from pale pink to deep red/purple;
- Pale nose and mouth - sometimes a vivid pink colour, but increasingly variable, more often pale;
- Weight loss - over the course of the last year she has had bouts of losing a little weight, then stabilising for a few months, losing again and stabilising etc.
- "Pot belly" appearance - thin elsewhere on her body, but quite a chubby (soft) abdomen.

And now the feet.

She's going to Vedra this evening so hopefully I'll have a better idea of what best to do re the feet. If Vedra doesn't think Gwen has a heart problem then I'm going to ask her to give Gwen a full MOT, as something is just not adding up here.

I realise age will be playing a part, some pigs age worse than others and will develop symptoms like those above. But...I don't know, call it a mothers instinct. You know when your pig isn't right, and I've had this same feeling before.

Positive things is she is eating well and is able to walk fine. So it's not all bad. *touch wood*
 
Awwwwww I'm sorry to hear about Gwen :( Her feet do look sore :(
As you know having had Poppy have bumblefoot and Peggy now having it I have tried lots of things including:
Perfect paws ointment - didn't help;
Happy soles ointment - didn't help;
Baytril - didn't help;
Fucithalmic eye ointment :{ - did initially help heal Poppy's wound;
Nurofen - the last thing I tried with Poppy twice daily for four weeks - result! - don't know if it was coincidental though;
Prednisolone half a tablet daily - didn't help;
cabbage poltice - currently trying, so far helping to draw out the pus;
Manuka Honey - currently trying, seems to help ease the redness/soreness.
I hope Vedra is of help to you :) Lets hope it is not bumblefoot as it seems strange it is in three of her feet rather than just the odd one.
If not try some of the above - I can always send you some happy soles ointment and some manuka honey if you like :)
 
Sorry Laura, I'm no help at all to you but just wanted to say I hope it goes well at the CCT and Gwen's sore feet are soon on the mend, poor love.

Sophie
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"call it a mothers instinct"

You never said!


I have a visiting sow who developed a similar condition on one of her back feet on Sunday.
I cleaned out the debris, ie skin/hay from the cavity and put Bepanthen ointment over the area, I did not even apply a bandage to the foot.
On Monday morning it was almost impossible to tell which had been the affected foot.
I would question as to whether the problem was bumblefoot or a urine scald. Bumblefoot, in my experience, affects the front feet, in the vast majority of cases.
Over the years I have found to leave any foot spurs or scabs, in these cases, well alone.
Multiple, simultaneous red feet could be a sign of heart problems or even a systemic infection.
A course of Rimadyl may ease any swelling/discomfort.
 
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I am sorry; you must be so worried about poor Gwen!

BIG WHEEKS for Gwen!
 
Thanks for the support - as always, I appreciate it! Been through this enough times but still struggle without being to offload on the forum. :))

AP thanks for your input, really interesting to know that about the multiple red feet. The soreness on the front feet made me wonder about bumblefoot, I've had a few pigs with the soreness on the hocks. I remember Lottie returning from Vedra's once; she went there with a swollen hock and came back with a small crater in it where Vedra had 'simply' removed the scab!

I took Gwen to see Vedra just after 5pm. For her feet she recommended Perfect Paws ointment (which I've already got/am using) and she had a long listen to her heart. Lungs and throat were clear, but her heart sounds were muffled - fluid built up around the heart. (Pericarditis....? Something along those lines!)
She was given a diuretic injection and I was told to listen again with the stethoscope in an hour.

When we got home I had to listen to a healthy piggie heart before I could pick up on Gwen's problem, but after an hour I checked and Gwen's heart sounded *much* clearer. I'll check again before bed and then again in the morning. If it builds up again then I think it points to a heart problem which would need further treatment, but if it stays clear then it may have just been a "one off", something that's been sat there for a while but is now cleared.

Will keep you all updated. :)
 
Glad to hear she's feeling better and hope she stays that way Laura.
 
Her heart didn't sound quite as clear this morning and her symptoms were the same. I phoned Vedra and asked for a chest x-ray (to check for enlargement of the heart and to see the degree of fluid building up) and she basically said there is no point, as it'll only confirm what is happening, so we'll just go straight onto meds.

So Gwen is on Furosemide daily, 10mg for a couple of days then down to 5mg. If no luck with that we'll look into Enacard (enalapril) or Lotensin (benazepril).
 
Sending poor Gwen my best wishes!

It is really not the best of times for you...
 
Sorry Laura, it does seem like everything happens all at once sometimes :(

Poor Gwen, she's such a sweet little pig, I hope the meds suit her and can alleviate the symptoms somewhat

Sophie
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It never rains it pours Huh, well i hope the meds help her out and she makes a swift recovery!
 
Thank you. :)

So far things are looking ok, since her first Furosemide tablet this morning she's been laying down - something she's never seemed to be inclined to do (she usually sleeps hunched and rocking back and forth with her breathing). She also seems stronger, and certainly has more energy. It's early days obviously but it's nice to see a real improvement.

I have been looking online and finally come across something I have looked for for a long time.

I mentioned in my first post that Gwen gets 'grumbly' breathing once in a while. Well I found links to videos of what the folks on GL call "hooting", common in heart pigs, and guess what? It's just the noise Gwen makes. I had no idea!

http://www.guinealynx.info/records/viewtopic.php?t=42
 
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I'm glad things are looking up a little.

Poor girl. Those feet look awfully sore.

I hope she continues to get better. My boys will be sending her feel better wheeks.
 
Hmmm this thread has got me slightly worried. I have been wondering for a while if Gypsey has heart problems. She makes that hooting noise, but can go months and months without doing it, then does it a few times a week - there is no pattern at all!

She has one red hind foot but nothing as bad as your poor piggie :( an I hope it doesnt get as bad. I did start to use Perfect Paws and it didnt do that much, but it helped a small amount.

She had an xray but my vet said he couldnt see anything, prehaps she was okay at this point..

Hmmm now i dont know what to to think either!

Good luck with your little one, I wish I knew more so I could help not only your situation but mine also.
 
Yesterday was quite worrying, on listening to her chest in the morning before her diuretic she had some clicking between breaths on one side, along with faintly crackly breathing, puffs of breath (think small half sneezes) and a little clear moisture in one nostril. Otherwise well.

She then had the diuretic tablet and it eased right off and has not returned as yet. In normal circumstances I would put those symptoms down to respiratory infection but it seemed to be more a case of the diuretic loosening up fluid that must have been sat there for a while. I will naturally keep a very close eye on her, but the symptoms have not returned since.

Overall she is doing very well - no 'pot belly' any more, her weight is evenly distributed so no bony areas, more energy, much stronger, and sleeping on/in/snuggled up to cosies while laying down. I did not notice the hunched up/rocking back and forth with breaths position at all yesterday, which is perhaps the best improvement.

Going down to 5mg Furosemide today, will give feedback to Vedra early next week so I've had a good chance to see how well Gwen is doing on the diuretic alone.

Thanks for all the well wishes. :)
 
*fingers crossed* for Gwen, love to you and the tribe. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 
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