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Guinea pig with eye deformities

Asiamoore243

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Hello! I recently took in a baby 6 week old guinea pig from a bad home. Before I went to go pick up the guinea pig the man repeatedly told me the guinea pig needed to be culled cause it wasn’t “born right” when I picked up the guinea pig I noticed that it has NO EYES. Like at all. I immediately thought it was a lethal however I was under the impression that lethals had to be white? This little guinea pig is chocolate and has a small amount of white in his neck and head. I noticed no teeth deformities and no cleft. I’m going to be taking him to a vet later this week. He seems malnourished but he is eating his greens hay and drinking water. Can anyone tell me what might have caused this? Was it just from poor breeding or is he a lethal?
 
😊 thank you!Here is some pictures of him, when I first went to get him I thought he just had an eye infection and they was glued shut or something after further investigating I realized there is absolutely no eyeballs there just the canal where they should be.
 

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I have no advice on what could have caused this, a vet check is most definitely a good idea, if it is bad breeding then a vet might be able to advise you what else to look out for as I would guess there could be further issues, but I wouldn't know if I am honest. Hope this little one continues to do ok.
 
Poor little thing. He’s gorgeous. Well done for taking him on. He definitely needs to get a check up at the vets. 🤞.
 
:wel: I wonder if it’s a case of inbreeding. Just a guess. To be honest the man doesn’t sound particularly pleasant. Is he a breeder?

If he’s not been eating veg then you need to introduce it slowly. You should also think seriously about getting him a friend. He’s too young to be alone. Then again they shouldn’t live alone even when older.

Well done for taking him in. Hopefully that will be the extent of anything for him. Good luck with the vets and do let us know what they say.
 
He's not a lethal, as they are, by definition, white (though they may also have small or missing eyes.) The condition of being born without eyes is called anophthalmia. I can remember reading an article about anophthalmia in guinea pigs years ago, including pics of similar pigs who were also not white lethals, but were also born without eyes. My understanding was that it was a genetic condition, basically a birth defect. He may have other issues as well, or it may just be the lack of eyes. The good news is that pigs do not have great eyesight anyhow, so he can live happily while blind. I would start with a vet checkup to see if there are any other issues going on that aren't visible at a glance (teeth, heart, etc.) It sounds like he had a rough start, it's great that you've taken him in... a lot of pigs with birth defects probably never get that chance! Once he gets a clean bill of health, I would see about getting him a friend... as he's blind, he would benefit even more than usual from a friend to follow and to feel safe alongside. All the best to this little guy... please keep us updated!
 
He’s beautiful :luv:As said piggies do really well without their eyes and/or sight. Hopefully he has no other issues, a vet trip is definitely a good idea to see if anything else going on though. Hope all goes well, definitely keep us updated! :)
 
Eye deformities can unfortunately turn up even in non lethal piggies, micropthalmia and anopthalmia are passed down by the parents that carry the gene for it and is most often seen in unscrupulous breeding where care is not taken to reduce inbreeding, although sometimes it does just pop up at random. I have a little man called Paddington who is not a lethal but who has micropthalmia. He acts like any other piggy apart from his corneas dry out quicker than one with normal eyes so requires eye lube 3xs a day. But other than that, hes fine. Even my vet forgets hes blind sometimes 😅

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Hello! I recently took in a baby 6 week old guinea pig from a bad home. Before I went to go pick up the guinea pig the man repeatedly told me the guinea pig needed to be culled cause it wasn’t “born right” when I picked up the guinea pig I noticed that it has NO EYES. Like at all. I immediately thought it was a lethal however I was under the impression that lethals had to be white? This little guinea pig is chocolate and has a small amount of white in his neck and head. I noticed no teeth deformities and no cleft. I’m going to be taking him to a vet later this week. He seems malnourished but he is eating his greens hay and drinking water. Can anyone tell me what might have caused this? Was it just from poor breeding or is he a lethal?

Hi!

No eyes is a genetic defect that can happen to any breed. There is no connection to the lethal syndrome.

It is good that you are already planning to have him vet checked. Please be aware that the bulk of what a piggy is eating in a day (about 80% of the daily food intake) is grass hay, more hay and then followed by hay - which you cannot control by eye. Hay/fresh dog pee free grass fibre is vital for keeping the crucial back teeth ground down, whhose constant growth rate has evolved specifically against the very abrasive silica in it grass based fibres and the gut is laid out perfectly to break and make the most of the tough grass fibres in two runs through the gut. Veg and fresh herbs (preferably green and leafy or watery like cucumber) fill the role of wild forage to supply all the trace elements etc. not present in grass fibre; that is why a small bowl of veg should only be ca. 15% of the daily food intake and why 1 tablespoon=1/8 cup of pellets per should only make about 5% of what a piggy eats in a day.
Keep in mind that there may be other genetic issues.

Please weigh him daily at the same time and if his weight is not going up on a normal diet, you may need to offer him additional recovery fomula top up support. Be very careful when introducing new fresh foods. Do it only in small quantities to allow the gut microbiome to adjust to it without causing diarrhea or bloat.
Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets
Weight - Monitoring and Management

Blind piggies can have a perfectly normal, happy life. They do not know that they are disabled and they will compensate with their other senses (especially scent, hearing and touch/whiskers). While sight is our strongest human sense, it is actually the weakest sense in guinea pigs. Just emphasise any enrichment that caters to their other senses and if you make changes to the cage layout, do so without wiping down any furnishings so he can easily find what is where by smell and rearrange his mental map accordingly. I have made these experiences with my piggies with severe congenital (i.e. genetic young age onset) and old age cataracts who were still able to free roam following scent spoors on a suitable surface or even manage shallow ramps covered in a good grip/scent retaining material like a carpet offcut.
When looking at the pictures and videos in this guide here, it may help you to know that the brindle (black/ginger) aby featured in many of the pictures, developed congenital nuclear sclerosis and cataracts at a young age and is sight impeded or blind (except for a little dark/light perception). And watching old blind Mali waddling around in her own scent spoor loop until 2 days before her death at around 8 years, still always makes me smile. Joy of life is not limited by lacking a sense or two!
Enrichment Ideas for Guinea Pigs

Blind piggies (or even blind/deaf lethals) can live with sighted, healthy piggies as carer companions, provided they have a suitable temperament. Company is still very important for the development and the huge comfort factor. Guinea pigs (unless they are kept in sub-standard conditions where they have to fight for access to food) are actually very tolerant and supportive of disabled companions, as long as they can keep up.
Journey through a Lifetime: The Ages of Guinea Pigs

There is an excellent rescue in the North Virginia/Washington/Maryland area, Metropolitan Guinea Pig Rescue and another good guinea pig rescue in Knoxville, Tennessee. Either of these may be able to help you on the ground with advice and potential piggy company since both have practical experience with looking after blind piggies.
Guinea Lynx :: US Guinea Pig Rescue and Shelter Organizations

For videos of how much even worse disabled lethals can enjoy a normal life, have a look at the videos from TEAS sanctuary, which specialises in looking after guinea pigs with chronic severe dental issues: The Excellent Adventure Sanctuary (for guinea pigs with extra needs)

I hope that this will help you?
 
Thank you all so much for responding! It makes me feel a lot better! He actually took a turn this morning and was acting unwell. I panicked and called out of work and took him to my nearest vet. Luckily everything turned out to be okay as the vet informed me that a few weeks of good nutrition and vitamins that he will be a healthy piggie. So I’ve started him in some vitamins and been feeding him plenty of veggies and hay. He seems to be getting around a lot better, when I first brought him home he was filthy and I’m (the vet as well) are fairly sure he was a product of inbreeding.When I say the conditions I saw them in I was astounded. Below I’ll show some pictures. As you can see he is significantly smaller than his siblings. I believed they did not allow him the same good intake. The reason I actually was looking for another piggie was because I already had a existing boar named taquito.He is 18 weeks and a sweetie pie. I thought finding him a companion would be a nice thing for him. Unfortunately it didn’t work out exactly as planned but hopefully once the little once has gained some energy then I can bond them together without issues. Little blind piggie is currently in quarentine for 2 weeks to just be double sure there is going to be no issues and to ensure he is able to eat his proper amount. First 3 pictures are why the man sent me The piggie. I was not informed of him his deformity. The last photo is his quarantine cage temporarily. And don’t worry I got his siblings to a proper home that I can check in with them. :)
 

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At his age their need companionship far outweighs any worry about passing illnesses on. So please get him a friend soon as, or bond him with a boar if you have one that’s not paired up. It’s really important for him to have company.

I would also focus on giving him a good balanced diet V rather than giving vitamins. What you don’t want to do is cause issues when you stop. The body could get used to certain levels. Also remember that pellets are fortified. You should still B limit to a tablespoon a day.
 
:wel: I wonder if it’s a case of inbreeding. Just a guess. To be honest the man doesn’t sound particularly pleasant. Is he a breeder?

If he’s not been eating veg then you need to introduce it slowly. You should also think seriously about getting him a friend. He’s too young to be alone. Then again they shouldn’t live alone even when older.

Well done for taking him in. Hopefully that will be the extent of anything for him. Good luck with the vets and do let us know what they say.
Thanks for replying! I sincerely think it’s due to inbreeding as well. I did in fact take him to the vet this morning he was malnourished. Ive introduced some veggies. To my understanding this man claimed himself to be a “rescuer” however he breeds his “rescues” However he stated he was going to no longer breed them. He fed them nothing but pellets 😩. I actually already have another piggie. He is a 18 week old boar which I named Taquito xD I was hoping to introduce him a companion but with current circumstances I want to ensure the little one is healthy enough and eating adequately on his own before I try to bond them.
 
Please give him plenty of hay; it should make around 80% of the daily food intake for long term optimal dental and gut health (because the tough, abrasive but highly nutritious grass fibres are what guinea pigs have evolved and what their dental growth rate and the digestive process with two runs through the gut is laid out for.
Too much veg and pellets mean a lot more soft food that is not helping to grind down the crucial back teeth as much as needed and that encourages the potential overgrowth of the wrong kind of bacteria (i.e. diarrhea and bloating issues). The correct food proportions will contribute to long term health and a hopefully longer life span.

Please be aware that veg and pellets replace the supplementing role of wild forage; so make sure that you stay off lots of high sugar/starch root veg like carrots (for guinea pigs like feeding a bar of chocolate) and fruit (lots of sugar) and rather feed fresh herbs which contain vitamins and trace elements that pellets and other veg do not provide. Incidentally, herbs are also good for vitamin C - did you know that?

For a balanced long term diet please take the time to read our diet guide; it is one of the best things you can do for your little boy: Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets
 
Thanks for replying! I sincerely think it’s due to inbreeding as well. I did in fact take him to the vet this morning he was malnourished. Ive introduced some veggies. To my understanding this man claimed himself to be a “rescuer” however he breeds his “rescues” However he stated he was going to no longer breed them. He fed them nothing but pellets 😩. I actually already have another piggie. He is a 18 week old boar which I named Taquito xD I was hoping to introduce him a companion but with current circumstances I want to ensure the little one is healthy enough and eating adequately on his own before I try to bond them.
I’m so glad you got him out of there, doesn’t look pleasant for the poor pigs :(
Although it’s definitely a good idea quarantining piggies before putting them with your existing ones, with his very young age it’s really important he has a friend, even more so with him having no sight. It must be very scary for him to have come from there with his siblings to now suddenly being alone! It will most likely encourage him to eat more with Taquito around to guide and comfort him too x
 
I took y’all’s advice and decided to go ahead and introduce them during floor time cause I didn’t want them to be lonely any longer and honestly it went a lot better than I suspected. The little piggie was excited, Taquito was confused but seems to so far not mind the little one even for cuddles,hopefully they continue to get along.
 

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I took y’all’s advice and decided to go ahead and introduce them during floor time cause I didn’t want them to be lonely any longer and honestly it went a lot better than I suspected. The little piggie was excited, Taquito was confused but seems to so far not mind the little one even for cuddles,hopefully they continue to get along.
Aw I’m so pleased it went so well! What a gorgeous couple :luv: I’m sure Taquito will be a great uncle and guide pig for the little man! Has he got a name yet? :)
 
Aw I’m so pleased it went so well! What a gorgeous couple :luv: I’m sure Taquito will be a great uncle and guide pig for the little man! Has he got a name yet? :)
Thank you! I really hope it continues to work as well, which I didn’t really expect Taquito to really do much he just cares about food more than anything but you never really know how they will turn out. I’ve noticed the baby is doing a lot better navigating he is jumping up on the hides and doing the ramps now with no fear he seems to have gotten renewed in spirit since being around Taquito which I won’t even lied made me cry some xD unfortunately I haven’t found a fitting name yet I don’t know his personality much yet but so far from what I’m seeing he is very quirky, If y’all have any ideas in more than open to suggestions I’ve just been calling him little one as of right now.
 
He'll be better a navigating as he'll be following scent spores left by Taquito. So pleased he's a lot happier now he has a friend. Even if you choose a lovely name for him he will still be called Little One as that is what you are calling him now and the name will most probably stick.
 
Aw, just a big hug for taking his lovely little piggie on and giving him a beautiful loving home and also finding homes for the others. The poor little mites, how can people treat them so badly like that, they need locking up. Anyway I what a lovely life for him and your other little boy has now got a companion x
 
Aw what a lovely outcome for little eyeless piggy and his new friend Taquito :) x
 
It's lovely to hear your little one is getting on so well with Taquito 🥰 His last home looks like a horrible place to be, I bet he's so pleased to have a caring new owner like you x
 
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