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GI STASIS FROM ANTIBIOTICS NOT IMPROVING!

Angela99

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Hello! My one year old Comet was on antibiotics for head tilt inner ear infection… however the antibiotics caused immediately GI Stasis so I stopped but he isn’t improving! He is on all medications for it… Cisapride, Metacam, bumorphine …. He absolutely hates syringe feeding and is now biting me really hard! I syringe fed my 6 year old for many months with no issues but Comet is really hating it. I wake up at 3am to feed him so I am making sure he is fed. But his poops are teeny tiny hard still after 2.5 days … plus I’m giving poo soup. This is after only 2 doses of antibiotics! The Vet knows but I’m told to continue with the procedure with medication and feeding. Can anyone help me as to how long it may take to improve? He is quite angry about it and in pain! I thought I’d see improvement by now. I’d appreciate any feedback if anyone has experienced this. He’s only one 🐹❤️
 

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I’m sorry to hear he is unwell How long has he been unwell? Am I reading that he has been unwell for two days?

Are you weighing him daily?

Digestive Disorders: Not Eating - Diarrhea - Bloat - GI Stasis (No Gut Movement)
Hi yes well going on 3 days with hardly any poops! I gave him poo soup 3 times as well. I’ve gone through this before with my 6 year old who passed away but for many months I had to feed him on and off. I just thought Comet would improve by now…. Any suggestions?
 
How much syringe feed are you getting into him each day?
Are you weighing him each morning?

Poop soup helps replace the gut bacteria but he needs to be getting enough syringe feed to get his system going. Poop output is 1-2 days behind food intake so the daily weight checks are the key bit of information
 
GI stasis is really hard, it’s often a long and tiring journey with loads of ups and downs.

Continue with what you’re doing, support feeding and giving him his medication.
If he has only been on antibiotics for 2 days, you are unlikely to see change so suddenly (with fighting the infection). An ear infection can be quite serious, so sometimes you have to deal with the additional issues that come with the antibiotic in order to battle the infection.
Is his ear infection fixed? Or was the antibiotics only prescribed a couple days ago aswell?

I would also recommend fibreplex, it’s great for helping to keep the stomach going.
 
GI stasis is really hard, it’s often a long and tiring journey with loads of ups and downs.

Continue with what you’re doing, support feeding and giving him his medication.
If he has only been on antibiotics for 2 days, you are unlikely to see change so suddenly (with fighting the infection). An ear infection can be quite serious, so sometimes you have to deal with the additional issues that come with the antibiotic in order to battle the infection.
Is his ear infection fixed? Or was the antibiotics only prescribed a couple days ago aswell?

I would also recommend fibreplex, it’s great for helping to keep the stomach going.
Thank you… I stopped antibiotics as per Vet we are treating Gi Stasis and ear infection is gone… so I used an older antibiotic which cleared ear infection but when I got the new prescription he reacted immediately same antibiotics so I don’t know. Ear infection is OK 👍 NOW. But his tummy not so great. Because it was only two doses I thought he would get better fast . Poor baby! He is starting to bite me hard and breaking blood… what is best way you find to feed in this case? I use burrito style fleece and syringe from side of mouth gently. I’m doing everything I can I love him to pieces thank you!🙏
 
Thank you… I stopped antibiotics as per Vet we are treating Gi Stasis and ear infection is gone… so I used an older antibiotic which cleared ear infection but when I got the new prescription he reacted immediately same antibiotics so I don’t know. Ear infection is OK 👍 NOW. But his tummy not so great. Because it was only two doses I thought he would get better fast . Poor baby! He is starting to bite me hard and breaking blood… what is best way you find to feed in this case? I use burrito style fleece and syringe from side of mouth gently. I’m doing everything I can I love him to pieces thank you!🙏

How much syringe feed are you getting into him each day?
Are you weighing him each morning?

Poop soup helps replace the gut bacteria but he needs to be getting enough syringe feed to get his system going. Poop output is 1-2 days behind food intake so the daily weight checks are the key bit of information.

it sounds as if you are doing what we would suggest regarding positioning for feeding him.

have you tried not doing it in a burrito type wrapping - i wonder whether maybe he may not feel so stressed if he doesn’t feel restricted?
 
Thank you… I stopped antibiotics as per Vet we are treating Gi Stasis and ear infection is gone… so I used an older antibiotic which cleared ear infection but when I got the new prescription he reacted immediately same antibiotics so I don’t know. Ear infection is OK 👍 NOW. But his tummy not so great. Because it was only two doses I thought he would get better fast . Poor baby! He is starting to bite me hard and breaking blood… what is best way you find to feed in this case? I use burrito style fleece and syringe from side of mouth gently. I’m doing everything I can I love him to pieces thank you!🙏
I had a pig with GI stasis this past week, thankfully his was easily fixed as it wasn’t a side effect of medication or an add on ailment from another illness, but he hated/is hating the support feeding.
But I have previously had a piggy who needed constant support feeding and medication for almost two months (with GI stasis), so I really feel for you.

In all honesty I just hold his head in place, palm of my hand on the top of his head and my fingers near his chin. I place the syringe in the side of his mouth behind his teeth and give him about 0.5ml at a time.

The almost two months piggy was a biter aswell, and honestly I just had to keep at it. In his case he eventually ended up loving the support feeding but it was a real struggle at the start.
I would hold him up against my body, keeping him in place and would get someone else to syringe the food in his mouth, all while avoiding his bites.

I do agree with what piggies&buns mentioned, maybe the burrito is too much stress for him. I make sure to give them time to relax inbetween mls’ so perhaps the burrito is making him more uncomfortable.
 
I had a pig with GI stasis this past week, thankfully his was easily fixed as it wasn’t a side effect of medication or an add on ailment from another illness, but he hated/is hating the support feeding.
But I have previously had a piggy who needed constant support feeding and medication for almost two months (with GI stasis), so I really feel for you.

In all honesty I just hold his head in place, palm of my hand on the top of his head and my fingers near his chin. I place the syringe in the side of his mouth behind his teeth and give him about 0.5ml at a time.

The almost two months piggy was a biter aswell, and honestly I just had to keep at it. In his case he eventually ended up loving the support feeding but it was a real struggle at the start.
I would hold him up against my body, keeping him in place and would get someone else to syringe the food in his mouth, all while avoiding his bites.

I do agree with what piggies&buns mentioned, maybe the burrito is too much stress for him. I make sure to give them time to relax inbetween mls’ so perhaps the burrito is making him more uncomfortable.
Yes thank you! I used burrito as last resort then stopped! I agree! I usually gently do it too so every hour I’m feeding like 3 or 4 bites which is not enough so I worry and he bit me which is unlike him so I know he’s in pain. But I appreciate you all giving me feedback it helps me . I’m giving him space to calm down and I noticed him nibble on hay. Guinea pigs function best when they are not under any stress so I’ll keep on hoping for his turn around! I hope your piggy gets better too! I know my last piggy Truffle I did it for many months on and off but he actually loved it… we bonded through it! Funny 🐹😊
 
Yes thank you! I used burrito as last resort then stopped! I agree! I usually gently do it too so every hour I’m feeding like 3 or 4 bites which is not enough so I worry and he bit me which is unlike him so I know he’s in pain. But I appreciate you all giving me feedback it helps me . I’m giving him space to calm down and I noticed him nibble on hay. Guinea pigs function best when they are not under any stress so I’ll keep on hoping for his turn around! I hope your piggy gets better too! I know my last piggy Truffle I did it for many months on and off but he actually loved it… we bonded through it! Funny 🐹😊
I do find that I bond with my pigs so much when they're sick, I just wish it was under better circumstances.
Fingers crossed he starts to be a bit more "willing" soon, just so he can get a bit more support feed in, and he will be on the road to recovery!

Just wondering if you saw piggies&buns question about how much you are managing to syringe a day and if you are weighing him each morning. Their message is above my last one, #7.
 
How much syringe feed are you getting into him each day?
Are you weighing him each morning?

Poop soup helps replace the gut bacteria but he needs to be getting enough syringe feed to get his system going. Poop output is 1-2 days behind food intake so the daily weight checks are the key bit of information.

it sounds as if you are doing what we would suggest regarding positioning for feeding him.

have you tried not doing it in a burrito type wrapping - i wonder whether maybe he may not feel so stressed if he doesn’t feel restricted?
Hi just saw this! Well yes makes sense I know he needs to eat more food which is why I’m stressed. I only did burrito once and realized it doesn’t work! I put him on my lap too and got a couple bites. I tried standing vs sitting I tried sideways and from behind. If I have a 35 mil syringe how many bites should I do in one go?
.5 mil per bite I need to buy a scale I’ll do that now. The poop soup I thought would fix it 😞
 
I do find that I bond with my pigs so much when they're sick, I just wish it was under better circumstances.
Fingers crossed he starts to be a bit more "willing" soon, just so he can get a bit more support feed in, and he will be on the road to recovery!

Just wondering if you saw piggies&buns question about how much you are managing to syringe a day and if you are weighing him each morning. Their message is above my last one, #7.
Well it’s just the opposite with Comet! He jumps into my arms for cuddles everyday… he’s like a cat! He sits with me and purrs in my lap for a long time but during this feeding he’s bitten me twice in the stomach! I’m bleeding 🩸 So hopefully this doesn’t break our bond!

Yes I just replied to piggies and buns thank you 🙏
 
Hello, I was just reading your thread and we have two four year old females, one is Pinky Brown and the other is Pinky Pink because of the ears. Our little Pinky Brown isn't a biter but she sure is a contortionist. She had to go to the vet because she stopped eating and was losing weight and we had no idea what happened. Our guinea pigs are indoor free roaming and they have a 4' x 4' fleese blanket with all their tunnels and boxes called the "piggy village" where they live. Sometimes they can be a little bit elusive and by the time we realized she hadn't been eating it was time to go to the vet.

The vet found her back teeth were very overgrown and she had a small sore way up in the back of her mouth on the gum. Normally just to get the molars ground doesn't need antibiotics but in this case with the infected sore she did. We had her on Baytril for a week ( 7 days ) and for the first day or two when she was home she went for the hay but wouldn't eat it. This transferred to the pellets, then their daily diet mix and eventually she wouldn't even drink water. That's when alarms should start blaring.

It was recommended when we bought them that we have two guinea pigs which it's always better because they're pack animals. They're more comfortable if they have a partner and after having five of them because of a pet store mistake I could say for sure this is true. Just think about this if there's only one they have no one to talk with unless you speak guinea pig. There are also advantages to having two because when one is sick I watch when the other guinea pig is eating and I feed this one at the same time. You would be amazed at how often they eat and they really do encourage each other.

As far as the syringe feeding right now I'm using a 5mL syringe to fill 5 - 1mL syringes which makes it much easier to keep track of how much food you're getting into your guinea pig where you can more gently and easily get 0.5 mL of food into them without worrying about overloading it down into their lungs which would be very bad and lead to another infection.

It generally takes me about 1.5 hours to slowly feed her about 5mL so be prepared for a long haul with feeding. There are guidelines on the back of most critical care packets that give feeding instructions and it's generally 1 tablespoon of food for 1.0 lb or 2.2 kg of the animals body weight. THIS IS CRITICAL that you get that amount of food into your pet because they'll just keep losing weight, get weaker and eventually lose so much muscle mass that they can't recover.

Something else to keep in mind is are they drinking water and how much? Just because you see your piggy in the water dish or at the water bottle doesn't mean they're getting enough water. A full grown guinea pig generally needs about 80 to 100 mL of water per day so if you're just giving food that's not water it's just moist food so a lot of times they won't eat because they're SEVERLY dehydrated. I have not read anywhere or has anyone told me yet to be sure they get the correct amount of water per day. Just be aware if they're drinking water and if not you need to get on that ASAP. A little something to think about would be one of THE FIRST things the hospital does when they admit a person. Get them on a saline drip to rehydrate.

Something else I'm giving her is called Appetite Restore made by Sherwood. I'm going to post a picture of the packet but on the back it specifically says what to not feed your guinea pig. You could take that however you will but I cut out all fruits, veg, grains, soy, nuts etc and according to Sherwood it produces bad bacteria and mushy poops and can impede the recovery of the GI tract.

We've also been feeding her two different types of supplementary food, one is made by Oxbow called Critical Care and the other is called Emeraid. She doesn't like either but after feeding she does go to her food dish rummaging around like she's looking for something. That to me says something's working and it's getting her trying to eat.

My conclusion to all this is some of these guinea pigs are very susceptible to antibiotics. Since a course of antibiotics kills good and bad bacteria it could take up to 2 months for it to recover in humans and since I couldn't find anything on guinea pigs I'm going to go with that. Here's a link to the info :

Effect of antibiotics on your gut microbiome | Microba

As far as syringe feeding techniques and the biting maybe try wearing a glove. Your piggy is kind of young and I'm very very gentle, delicate and use a soft voice when interacting with them. Believe me it does make a difference, just treat them like 5 year old little kids that never get any older.

The bottom line is if you love your Piggy you have to do it whether they like it or not because they just don't understand that you're trying to help them. If you don't do it, well you know the alternative.

Good luck and take care 🙏
 

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Here are the supplements that I've been using, I couldn't get them to attach to my original post.
 

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Hi just saw this! Well yes makes sense I know he needs to eat more food which is why I’m stressed. I only did burrito once and realized it doesn’t work! I put him on my lap too and got a couple bites. I tried standing vs sitting I tried sideways and from behind. If I have a 35 mil syringe how many bites should I do in one go?
.5 mil per bite I need to buy a scale I’ll do that now. The poop soup I thought would fix it 😞

Poop soup won’t fix it - it’s a supportive aid to rebalance and restore gut bacteria. Yes in his case his has probably been depleted by the antibiotics but his stasis may also have been caused at least in part by the pain of the ear infection. A piggy in stasis needs enough food and gut stimulant medication to get the gut working again.
A healthy piggy would eat the equivalent of around 100ml per day and you need to get at least 60ml per day into him.
Definitely get the scales - it is essential when syringe feeding as it is the only way to know the amount you are feeding is sufficient.
As I said, poop output is 1-2 days behind food intake so even if he ate enough food and his gut started working today you still won’t see poop for a couple of days. The same at the beginning of an issue - by the time you see a piggy is not producing much poop it’s already been a few days without sufficient food intake. This is why watching poop output as a sole method is unreliable.

It’s going to be around 0.3ml per bite but could be less, could be a little more. It depends how weak a poorly piggy is as to how much they can take
 
Here are the supplements that I've been using, I couldn't get them to attach to my original post.
Thank you! The appetite restore is a good idea! I’ll try it! Yes I syringe water feed so he’s getting water! It helps him poo . He is pooping but his appetite is nil with hay and pellets. He ll eat red leaf lettuce and endive though. It’s the biting that concerns me because I can’t give him enough food. I know I’m stuck. He’s in pain I put a big sweater on so he can’t bite through to my stomach… but he bit me twice on my abdomen.. bleeding so he REALLY isn’t pleased with mom right now!
 
Poop soup won’t fix it - it’s a supportive aid to rebalance and restore gut bacteria. Yes in his case his has probably been depleted by the antibiotics but his stasis may also have been caused at least in part by the pain of the ear infection. A piggy in stasis needs enough food and gut stimulant medication to get the gut working again.
A healthy piggy would eat the equivalent of around 100ml per day and you need to get at least 60ml per day into him.
Definitely get the scales - it is essential when syringe feeding as it is the only way to know the amount you are feeding is sufficient.
As I said, poop output is 1-2 days behind food intake so even if he ate enough food and his gut started working today you still won’t see poop for a couple of days. The same at the beginning of an issue - by the time you see a piggy is not producing much poop it’s already been a few days without sufficient food intake. This is why watching poop output as a sole method is unreliable.

It’s going to be around 0.3ml per bite but could be less, could be a little more. It depends how weak a poorly piggy is as to how much they can take
100 mil a day! I’m nowhere near that! 60 mil thanks! That really gives me a better idea of how much I’ll do my best!
 
Thank you! The appetite restore is a good idea! I’ll try it! Yes I syringe water feed so he’s getting water! It helps him poo . He is pooping but his appetite is nil with hay and pellets. He ll eat red leaf lettuce and endive though. It’s the biting that concerns me because I can’t give him enough food. I know I’m stuck. He’s in pain I put a big sweater on so he can’t bite through to my stomach… but he bit me twice on my abdomen.. bleeding so he REALLY isn’t pleased with mom right now!

Thank you! The appetite restore is a good idea! I’ll try it! Yes I syringe water feed so he’s getting water! It helps him poo . He is pooping but his appetite is nil with hay and pellets. He ll eat red leaf lettuce and endive though. It’s the biting that concerns me because I can’t give him enough food. I know I’m stuck. He’s in pain I put a big sweater on so he can’t bite through to my stomach… but he bit me twice on my abdomen.. bleeding so he REALLY isn’t pleased with mom right now!
I just have a few questions, is your little piggy on any antibiotics or any meds right now?

After 6 days I stopped all antibiotics because the vet prescribed a second antibiotic that they use for small children and the dosage was almost four times as much. I was highly uncomfortable with all this so my wife and I discussed it and we decided to stop all antibiotics. We also cut out all veg fruits treats everything except for hay and pellets or a type of daily diet specifically made for guinea pigs.

My recommendation to you is do not feed him anything other than the critical care type products, the appetite restore whether he likes it or not, hay and pellets. That is it until he starts eating. You need to talk to him like a little baby with a calm very soft voice because if you're getting stirred up you're going to get him stirred up and if you're not being gentle with him he's not going to be gentle with you. I'm just telling you what I've experienced over the last 4 years with 5 guinea pigs. We didn't think this little girl is going to make it till Christmas and because of our aggressive tactics she's bouncing back she's finally starting to eat on her own and she's drinking a lot of water which is exactly what she needs to be doing.

Something else I mentioned is they do much better in pairs, her sister is very encouraging in whatever kind of guinea pig way they do it. When one is sitting there chomping down on a dish full of pellets for a little creature that loves to eat it's really hard to sit there and watch that.

Physical contact is also something incredibly important because if they feel really cared for they respond well to that. I hate to say it but the biting could be reduced if you can just be as sweet and affectionate as you could possibly be just like if it was a little five year old child that was sick the only difference is you're guinea pig can't tell you what hurts.

We thought we were going to lose our little Pinky Brown so many times over the past few weeks to just see her there eating out of her food dish is such a joy after everything we went through.

Just don't give up the little guy is probably just really really scared. Since he doesn't have a partner you're it ;)
 

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Something else I forgot to mention is they tend to get cold when they're not feeling well so we added a small 350 watt heater which they both seem to love. You can see it on the left in the picture.
 

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