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Falling again and again

Ritika

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Hey guys! sorry this is gonna be messy post i am at work but I just received a call from my mom couple of hours ago and she told me one of my sows has randomly started falling down while eating food last night. its not very frequent but she said she is falling in like every hour. I asked her to take her to the vet and as u guys know there is not good vet for guinea pigs in India, the vet said he doesn't know what is wrong but asked my mom to monitor her. I have no idea what is wrong and i m currently looking for flights back to india from australia so i can be with my piggy for a couple of days. My mom did put some cbd oil on her back legs and i am told she is eating fine but she cannot stand up properly. We are monitoring weight and its 890 grams so its not going down or up too much. Any help will be appreciated.
 
If your vet is unsure then he can suggest a referral to someone more experienced with pigs or you could contact him and say you would like to be referred somewhere
Maybe research exotic vets in in your current location and just give them a call to get some advice at least.
 
Sending lots of support and hoping she is ok.
I know it’s so hard for you to find a vet in your country
 
I also wanted to add my support - of course it is impossible to say but it could be anything from an ear infection to neurological issues.
I am so sorry it is so hard to find a knowledgeable vet where you live.
 
I hope she gets better soon! If it's possible it might be worth your vet contacting a guinea pig specialist in another country for some advice! Best of luck to you and your piggy, its good she's still eating 👍❤️
 
I’m sorry it’s hard to find an experienced vet at home. I hope your girl will be okay.
 
When you say 'falling' it can mean different things. First we are assuming piggy is not very elderly(?) and is otherwise in good health(?) so she has not had the scratching and shedding/bald patches that come with severe mange mite infestation (this can lead to seizures). And she has not been losing weight due to long term pain issues? E.g Arthritis can affect piggy's mobility - they are stiff and can have a strange walk - or do not like to move much at all. Do you thin you can rule these things out? Would the vet have spotted them?

Your mum put oil on her 'back' legs? Some pigs do lose the use of their back legs but the front ones still seem normal. There can actually be a few different reasons for this but it is hard to tell between them.

Sometimes a pig can get an ear infection which can make the head tilt obviously to one side (though not always). Antibiotic treatment and painkiller/anti-inflammatory would be something the vet could try for this. If very severe there can be complications which can make piggy very dizzy so she falls whenever she tries to move - but all 4 legs should be able to work properly... it's just the balance that is off. Piggy might feel more secure in a sort of 'nest' made with fleece or rolled towels on each side that she can lean against - or something like a tunnel or donut-bed that puts some pressure on her sides so she is not wobbling about on a flat surface. Another poster with a poor dizzy girl (her problem is extremely rare though) has said her piggy was comforted when propped upright with a little bit of blanket covering her head - perhaps being in the dark helped her if she felt the world was spinning.

Sometimes a piggy can have a neurological problem. They can have a stroke like people do: you might see one-sided symptoms like with people. Maybe she is chewing to one side, or can only blink properly with one eye because of some facial paralysis. Perhaps one or both legs on one side are semi-paralysed. In this case she probably wouldn't be feeling dizzy but her problem would be a physical issue with movement. Gentle loving care might be all you can offer her - some pigs get through it, although they don't necessarily 'recover' but others will have further strokes which will eventually prove too much.

I will try to add in some links for more information - bear in mind not everything will be applicable to your girl. I hope it is something treatable x
CBS (Calcified Bulla Syndrome) and Neurological Problems - Symptoms and Care about half-way down this page is Part 2: Other neurological problems which discusses ear infections, strokes and seizures etc in more detail.
Also Looking After Guinea Pigs With Limited or No Mobility about daily care for disabled piggies.
Good luck little girl x
 
When you say 'falling' it can mean different things. First we are assuming piggy is not very elderly(?) and is otherwise in good health(?) so she has not had the scratching and shedding/bald patches that come with severe mange mite infestation (this can lead to seizures). And she has not been losing weight due to long term pain issues? E.g Arthritis can affect piggy's mobility - they are stiff and can have a strange walk - or do not like to move much at all. Do you thin you can rule these things out? Would the vet have spotted them?

Your mum put oil on her 'back' legs? Some pigs do lose the use of their back legs but the front ones still seem normal. There can actually be a few different reasons for this but it is hard to tell between them.

Sometimes a pig can get an ear infection which can make the head tilt obviously to one side (though not always). Antibiotic treatment and painkiller/anti-inflammatory would be something the vet could try for this. If very severe there can be complications which can make piggy very dizzy so she falls whenever she tries to move - but all 4 legs should be able to work properly... it's just the balance that is off. Piggy might feel more secure in a sort of 'nest' made with fleece or rolled towels on each side that she can lean against - or something like a tunnel or donut-bed that puts some pressure on her sides so she is not wobbling about on a flat surface. Another poster with a poor dizzy girl (her problem is extremely rare though) has said her piggy was comforted when propped upright with a little bit of blanket covering her head - perhaps being in the dark helped her if she felt the world was spinning.

Sometimes a piggy can have a neurological problem. They can have a stroke like people do: you might see one-sided symptoms like with people. Maybe she is chewing to one side, or can only blink properly with one eye because of some facial paralysis. Perhaps one or both legs on one side are semi-paralysed. In this case she probably wouldn't be feeling dizzy but her problem would be a physical issue with movement. Gentle loving care might be all you can offer her - some pigs get through it, although they don't necessarily 'recover' but others will have further strokes which will eventually prove too much.

I will try to add in some links for more information - bear in mind not everything will be applicable to your girl. I hope it is something treatable x
CBS (Calcified Bulla Syndrome) and Neurological Problems - Symptoms and Care about half-way down this page is Part 2: Other neurological problems which discusses ear infections, strokes and seizures etc in more detail.
Also Looking After Guinea Pigs With Limited or No Mobility about daily care for disabled piggies.
Good luck little girl x
Hey thank you for letting me know in detail :) she's been eating properly and she is walking fine but sometimes loses her balance and falls my mum said it looks as if her back legs give up. I have been in contact with a guinea pig vet here and they've told me they cannot do much without having a proper look at my piggy. She asked me to syringe feed her and give pediatric gas-x to her to prevent bloating idk for what. She is also eating fine and her weight is constant. But just right now my mom told me she has white discharge from her eye and mouth. just one eye. Her temperature was also a little higher yesterday so she put her with some cold water packs. I have no idea what to do my other boar has also stopped eating and is not even eating from syringe feeding. He spits everything out. we give him meloxicam 0.1 ml every day cause he looked like he was in pain with his back hair fluffy. We have given him benebac and syringe feed him every hour but no luck. I m going back to India today to spend some time with them before anything bad happens. Any help will be appreciated:)))
 
The white discharge might be a symptom but it might also be the normal fluid they produce to clean themselves. You sometimes see a white drop like a milky tear in the corner of one eye. Sometimes after a big sneeze I've also seen a little on the nose of one of my pigs (a black one - it shows up!) But I've never seen any white discharge from the mouth. Although guinea pigs can get oral thrush the symptoms are usually things like stopping eating and pink gums rather than the white discharge and crustiness humans with the same condition might show. There's no reason to think it's that. White from the mouth could reflect piggy not swallowing the saliva they naturally produce. This is the only thing I can think of here.

A little note about the gasX which I think has the active ingredient simethicone(?) Simethicone works in babies by gathering all the gas together into a big bubble so baby can burp it up. But piggies don't burp - any gas has to pass through the back end. They have a very long thin gut for processing lots and lots of fibre (unlike humans who have a different gut made for eating many different food types). So forming a big bubble can actually make it more difficult for piggy to pass the gas which can make them uncomfortable. We have a product in the UK called Gripe Water which is sometimes used in cases of mild bloat - but if your girl is still eating and pooping it sounds like gas blocking the gut just isn't an issue for her. It's important to weigh poorly pigs every day at the same time to check they are maintaining their weight. There will be ups and downs (about 30g either way is quite normal) but you do not want to see day-on-day losses. This is where the support feeding comes in.

If she can walk properly sometimes but is then staggering and falling over it might not be a 'back-legs' issue - it could be weakness from being unwell more generally. Especially if there are other symptoms to suggest she is not feeling herself - and especially if you have another piggy getting ill at the same time when they have both been in good health previously.

So you have 2? Or more? And they are kept either together or next to each other? We need to consider either something infectious or something in the environment has changed: perhaps that they have both been fed something they shouldn't have.

Sometimes people feed a new type of veggie to a pig that they shouldn't - thinking that they can eat anything green. But there are quite a few things that are poisonous to piggies and can make them unwell. For instance, pigs sometimes enjoy the occasional tomato but should never be given the green stalks/leaves of tomatoes (or potatoes) which are highly toxic. There are some houseplants that pigs will eat if they are given the chance but which are toxic too. My friend went to pick dandelion leaves for her pigs (a popular treat) but unfortunately took them from a roadside where dogs were taken to pee a lot - her poor pigs were very unwell for some time but they did survive. Both traffic residue and dog pee are toxic for piggies. Sometimes a bag of 'fresh hay' has somehow got water in which allows mould and fungus to grow. The bag will smell funny - like mushrooms perhaps. This is no good for pigs. So check with your mum whether anything new or unusual has been eaten by them. Whether any small children have come round to visit and perhaps might have fed something to the piggies.

But if your girl had a higher temperature that does suggest infection. Most of my personal experience is with urinary tract infections which don't tend to spread - one pig might get one but the others don't catch it. Pigs can get infections of the upper respiratory tract (lungs, basically) which are serious. They do not 'catch a cold' like people do so sometimes symptoms such as runny nose, crusty eyes, sneezing etc. are ignored thinking it's just a cold and it will go away. unfortunately with piggies this is not usually the case. Here is a link about URI with lists of symptoms Guinea Lynx :: URI but basically they can be very hard to spot. Even looking at the breathing rate of piggies isn't much of a guide - you would expect breathing to be more quick and shallow but even the normal breathing rate of these nervous little critters varies wildly. 80 bpm is an average but one of my pigs - completely healthy - had a bpm of 120. He was just a nervous little guy. URI will definitely need veterinary treatment. The vet has to listen for lung sounds with a stethoscope to see if they can hear fluid in there. Antibiotics (which are suitable for piggies) will be needed. There is a painkiller/anti-inflammatory called meloxicam which can also be used in piggies if they can get it (it's manufactured for dogs and cats).

One final note - some pigs take antibiotics with no problems. But sometimes a pig gets an antibiotic and although it treats their infection it also completely kills their appetite. The effect can be very dramatic. This is why we never treat pigs with antibiotics unless we have to - in the UK we need a vet prescription for any antibiotic at all - even antibiotic eye cream. Piggy must then be syringed and tempted to eat throughout the day to see him through until the course is finished. We had this battle with my old boy who needed weeks of treatment for a very stubborn infection and it put him right off his food. He lost a lot of weight (even when it didn't hurt him to pee any more - pain had stopped him eating at first) As soon as the AB course was completed he picked up his appetite again as it was before. He's a lot thinner but there was no alternative. I hope you can get some answers when you get back home. You sound like you love your pigs very much 💕 I'm so sorry you are facing this situation x
 
PS: Just in case the two cases are unrelated it is worth considering again whether your girl has developed arthritis. We treat our old boy with the meloxicam mentioned above, and also glucosamine supplements (these do not need a prescription) which have really helped his mobility. We personally use 'oxbow joint support' which are a purple/white sachet of little biscuits and they eat one a day. You will not see a difference for a few weeks as it takes time for this stuff to build up in the body. I hope a vet can give you some answers.
 
Hey guys. Just got back to india from australia and saw the piggy who was falling shes not moving at all. She cannot stand up anymore and is hot to touch and is breathing heavily. this happened this evening only. she was okay and eating well but now nothing. it 12 at midnight and all emergency vets are closed as well because it sunday. Please help
 
I’m sorry to hear about your guinea pig. It sounds like she might be suffering from heatstroke or overheat. If her body temperature is high, she has shallow breathing, restlessness, confusion, etc., you might need to move her to a cool place immediately. Please don’t hesitate to follow up.
 
I’m sorry to hear about your guinea pig. It sounds like she might be suffering from heatstroke or overheat. If her body temperature is high, she has shallow breathing, restlessness, confusion, etc., you might need to move her to a cool place immediately. Please don’t hesitate to follow up.
its like she got a stroke. Her left side is completely gone and she doesn't respond anymore
 
You mentioned in your other thread about heat, she may be suffering from heatstroke as said above so please make sure her area is cool in general. I would not recommend taking any drastic measures to keep her cool in her current state.

If you have critical care on hand please step in with that and if not you can make nugget soup with some warm water and some nuggets, unless she is really weak and unable to eat, you will be able to tell by putting a little bit near the back of her throat and see if she starts to chew and swallow but if she just pushes it out please be careful. You can try once or twice but if she is not taking it please don't force it.

There unfortunately isn't much we can do without a vet, just keep her as comfortable as possible and have hay/food next to her for easy access.

Keeping you both in my thoughts x
 
Piggies with heatstroke are usually flat on their stomach and pancaked to the floor while those with strokes tend to fall to the side as they lose control over one half of the brain. What has caused a stroke is anybody's guess.

All you can do is keep your piggy as comfy as possible. If she feels overheated, then see whether she is seeking the comfort of a slightly cooler damp rag and take it gently from there. Never cool down a piggy suddenly; it can trigger a heart attack.
Heat stroke symptoms and what to do

My fingers are firmly crossed. Our emergency guide (the link in the first answering post) also contains a chapter with further links to help you spot when a piggy is dying and what you can do if any help comes to late.
 
Piggies with heatstroke are usually flat on their stomach and pancaked to the floor while those with strokes tend to fall to the side as they lose control over one half of the brain. What has caused a stroke is anybody's guess.

All you can do is keep your piggy as comfy as possible. If she feels overheated, then see whether she is seeks the comfort of a slightly cooler damp rag and take it gently from there. Never cool down a piggy suddenly; it can trigger a heart attack.
Heat stroke symptoms and what to do

My fingers are firmly crossed. Our emergency guide (the link in the first answering post) also contains a chapter with further links to help you spot when a piggy is dying and what you can do if any help comes to late.
i was reading all the posts about emergency guide and tbh i think its a big stroke. Good thing i came back today otherwise i won't even had the chance to say goodbye to her. She is cuddling with me right now very weak not blinking. Her mum sow is chirping like a bird idk why
 
The chirping would most likely be a sign of distress, have you given her a chance to say goodbye?

I’m so sorry you’re dealing with this x
(I can not be certain but when i have had a very similar situation this is what happened to me as well. When i got her up next to her very ill friend she eventually calmed down, but every pig will be different)
 
i was reading all the posts about emergency guide and tbh i think its a big stroke. Good thing i came back today otherwise i won't even had the chance to say goodbye to her. She is cuddling with me right now very weak not blinking. Her mum sow is chirping like a bird idk why
Chirping in this kind of circumstances is clearly a sign of distress. Whatever has happened is likely to have happened very suddenly and unexpectedly.

Please make sure that the mother has the option to be with her daughter and to say goodbye as well if she wishes to - not every piggy will want to but they should be allowed to make their own wishes known.

My thoughts are with you and your piggies.
 
I’m so sorry your piggy is unwell. Sending them healing vibes and you a hug. ❤️
 
Oh Ritika I'm so sorry to hear this. I'm just going to link in your other thread for @Wiebke as I don't know how to merge them Falling again and again
Perhaps your little girl had a small stroke that affected her movement followed by another bigger one. It can happen like this. I'm so sorry. But seeing as your boar seems unwell too it is important to monitor everyone closely. If it was me I'd put the two sows in together and sit near them to reassure them rather than holding your girl. I know you love her but their prey instincts are very strong and her mother must be panicking that her daughter is not safe. Daughter would probably rather be with mother than anyone else if her life is approaching the end x 😢
 
I’m so sorry for your loss. Sending love.
 
I am so sorry for your loss.

Please try to take consolation that you were there at the end but also keep in mind mind that what has happened is not something you could have prevented or braced for, and racing her to the vets would also not have changed anything. It is just one of the bad lots in the genetic lottery. You have done everything you could but you cannot change fate itself.

Please be kind with yourself in the coming days. You are no less a very loving and caring owner just because things happen that are outside of your own control and your vet's abilities.
Guinea pigs don't measure their lives in years and average life spans. They measure their lives in happy todays. As long as you give them as many of those as is within your power, you do not fail your pets. It is the daily love and care that makes all the difference for them.

BIG HUGS
 
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