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Emergency — Possible Liquid Bloat

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Hello,

I am currently in university and unfortunately came home today to find one of my boars quite lethargic, puffed up, and uninterested in food. He was hunched over in front of the hay feeders and when I refilled it, he did show some interest but quickly turned away and just walked off to his hidey. I picked him up after that and just checked him to make sure he was alright. There was no discharge from eyes, mouth, or nose, his stomach was soft, and he didn’t feel skinny at all. I did find a very small cyst on his back if that is of any importance, but besides that, nothing else. I checked on him a couple of hours later since he was still refusing to eat any vegetables, hay, or pellets, and wasn’t drinking. When I checked him again, his stomach was still soft but I noticed when I moved him that it sounded like there was definitely liquid in there. I also did the light flick test and I believe that it sounded hollow and also had some liquid sounds too. To just double check that this sound was abnormal I checked my other pigs and they are definitely not producing the same noises, I will say, however, their stomachs felt the exact same compared to his, which is to say they are soft and not at all hard. This happened about 2 hours ago from posting this, and I did some research and gave him a belly massage but so far there hasn’t seemed to be any improvement.

I am hoping that a vet will be able to take him in tomorrow since it is after-hours at every vet within my county and I have not seen any 24-hour vets that specialize or even treat exotics, but in the worst case scenario where he might pass in the next day or so I am just wondering how to keep him comfortable over the night. He has not been acting the worst I’ve seen with pigs and has some interest in what’s happening around him, but he just won’t eat or drink water. One of my questions is how I should mix his Critical Care as I’ve heard he shouldn’t have too much water (though if anyone knows more about this I would like to know), and if there are any other methods I should try to keep him comfy. I know he must be in a lot of pain right now, but I’d really like anything to help.

For some further background information, he is turning 4 in a month and a half and I do own his father and did own his mother before she passed (admittedly wasn’t very well-versed in pigs and was told my girl was a boar, clearly wasn’t). When she passed, the vet couldn’t figure out what happened but I do remember she was seizing a lot and I’m not sure if she was going through some sort of organ failure in the case that this might be a genetics issue. He hasn’t had any health issues other than this. I also haven’t been taking care of them as I am in university a few hours away, but my sister said she didn’t notice anything abnormal when she left for school today (about 6 hours before I got home) and told me he’d been eating and drinking just fine yesterday. He gets hay, 1/8 cup of pellets per day, and normally leftover pig-safe vegetables from dinner. I believe he had some spring mix yesterday night, and again, his cagemate has not been having any problems whatsoever. I also know sometimes dogs can pass illnesses and I do have a dog that occasionally gets close to my pigs (I don’t let him interact with them at all in or out of the cage and he’s only near them if monitored, but he does sometimes walk past the cage or sniff the bars). Another thing I should mention is I did see him pooping around the time I got home and I checked his cage and so far there haven’t been any abnormal droppings or urine colors. As I am writing this, I have him on my bed just to monitor him and double check symptoms for this post, and he is just sitting hunched over and puffed up. I really want my sweet boy to get better.

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I try to sort this out, thank you very much to anyone who replies. I’ll also try and get updates for those willing to help.
 
Hi,

I am very sorry to hear your piggy is not well. How is the little one doing? I have a guinea pig who had a gasbelly last week. She made it. I used Infacol and massage. She is still reacting very quick with bloat after a antibiotic. Pfff, it is very stressful. I see nobody has sent an answer. Listen to his belly. Is he still pooping? Sorry, I am dutch so my English is not perfect. I would stay away from veggies. I hope you can get to a vet asap and someone else respons to this too to advise.
I used infacol, it debloates and it is for baby's but you live in California so it would be some other product.... I used the Electric toothbrush too to massage.

I gave my girl Infacol, little bits of water and wet pellets on had basis. And a lot of massage.
 
But i don't know if a liquid belly is something else then a gasbelly. Hope someone else response too. I hope he gets better!
 
I’m sorry to hear this.

Do note there we are UK based forum and at the time you posted none of us were online hence why there hasn’t been a response yet. We are a small health team and you will know us as we have H&I banners in our signature panels.

Liquid bloat is not a term we use. You will see the full explanation as to why in post number 2 made by Wiebke in this thread Liquid Bloat?

The guides below will help you explain how to care for him in this situation. I hope you can get him to a vet asap.

Do note that we do not recommend the use of simethicone containing produces such as infacol because they gather gas into one big bubble. This is fine for human babies but makes things more painful for piggies.

I hope he is ok

Emergency and Crisis Care as well as Bridging Care until a Vet Appointment
All About Syringe Feeding and Medicating Guinea Pigs with Videos and Pictures
Digestive Disorders: Not Eating - Diarrhea - Bloat - GI Stasis (No Gut Movement)
 
Hello,
I'm so sorry your piggy is unwell! How's he doing?

Him being hunched over, puffing up his fur, and not eating or drinking are signs he could be in pain. One of my piggies has been poorly and was in alot of pain and was doing this.

I know it's awkward on a Saturday, but getting him in to see your vet ASAP would be best. If they're open today could you call and see if somecan see him?

I'd also try and give him some critical care as you mentioned you have it - I mix a teaspoon with a teaspoon of warm water and offer in a syringe. And I'd offer ever few hours while he's not eating. Depending on the type, you can add a little more water so it's looser for the syringe, and that will give him some more water too. Mine will sometimes lick if from a spoon too. If you call the vets ask their advice on this too.

When my Charlie wasn't eating and drinking, I also offered her watery veg she enjoys that I'd run under the tap, such as romaine lettuce and cucumber, to get something in her tummy and to keep her hydrated. I also placed little piles of hay near to her sitting spots as she was nursing her hay trays, to encourage her to nibble. So if you haven't tried this it might be worth a go. Keeping him eating something is super important to avoid him developing gut stasis.

Hope this helps, and keep us posted.
 
When my Charlie wasn't eating and drinking, I also offered her watery veg she enjoys that I'd run under the tap, such as romaine lettuce and cucumber, to get something in her tummy and to keep her hydrated.

Hope this helps, and keep us posted.

Piggies suffering from bloat should not be given vegetables so do ensure you are careful about giving this advice.
 
Hello,

I am currently in university and unfortunately came home today to find one of my boars quite lethargic, puffed up, and uninterested in food. He was hunched over in front of the hay feeders and when I refilled it, he did show some interest but quickly turned away and just walked off to his hidey. I picked him up after that and just checked him to make sure he was alright. There was no discharge from eyes, mouth, or nose, his stomach was soft, and he didn’t feel skinny at all. I did find a very small cyst on his back if that is of any importance, but besides that, nothing else. I checked on him a couple of hours later since he was still refusing to eat any vegetables, hay, or pellets, and wasn’t drinking. When I checked him again, his stomach was still soft but I noticed when I moved him that it sounded like there was definitely liquid in there. I also did the light flick test and I believe that it sounded hollow and also had some liquid sounds too. To just double check that this sound was abnormal I checked my other pigs and they are definitely not producing the same noises, I will say, however, their stomachs felt the exact same compared to his, which is to say they are soft and not at all hard. This happened about 2 hours ago from posting this, and I did some research and gave him a belly massage but so far there hasn’t seemed to be any improvement.

I am hoping that a vet will be able to take him in tomorrow since it is after-hours at every vet within my county and I have not seen any 24-hour vets that specialize or even treat exotics, but in the worst case scenario where he might pass in the next day or so I am just wondering how to keep him comfortable over the night. He has not been acting the worst I’ve seen with pigs and has some interest in what’s happening around him, but he just won’t eat or drink water. One of my questions is how I should mix his Critical Care as I’ve heard he shouldn’t have too much water (though if anyone knows more about this I would like to know), and if there are any other methods I should try to keep him comfy. I know he must be in a lot of pain right now, but I’d really like anything to help.

For some further background information, he is turning 4 in a month and a half and I do own his father and did own his mother before she passed (admittedly wasn’t very well-versed in pigs and was told my girl was a boar, clearly wasn’t). When she passed, the vet couldn’t figure out what happened but I do remember she was seizing a lot and I’m not sure if she was going through some sort of organ failure in the case that this might be a genetics issue. He hasn’t had any health issues other than this. I also haven’t been taking care of them as I am in university a few hours away, but my sister said she didn’t notice anything abnormal when she left for school today (about 6 hours before I got home) and told me he’d been eating and drinking just fine yesterday. He gets hay, 1/8 cup of pellets per day, and normally leftover pig-safe vegetables from dinner. I believe he had some spring mix yesterday night, and again, his cagemate has not been having any problems whatsoever. I also know sometimes dogs can pass illnesses and I do have a dog that occasionally gets close to my pigs (I don’t let him interact with them at all in or out of the cage and he’s only near them if monitored, but he does sometimes walk past the cage or sniff the bars). Another thing I should mention is I did see him pooping around the time I got home and I checked his cage and so far there haven’t been any abnormal droppings or urine colors. As I am writing this, I have him on my bed just to monitor him and double check symptoms for this post, and he is just sitting hunched over and puffed up. I really want my sweet boy to get better.

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I try to sort this out, thank you very much to anyone who replies. I’ll also try and get updates for those willing to help.

Hi and welcome

I am very sorry. Please step in with feeding support asap; this guide link here will take you through all aspects, including how to improvise in an emergency: All About Syringe Feeding and Medicating Guinea Pigs with Videos and Pictures

Please be aware that 'liquid' bloat (which is a now outdated concept) is most likely rather a build up of fluid in the body cavity caused by heart failure or a major internal growth if the heart checks out at the vets; there may be gassy bloating as a secondary complication and not as a primary cause in this case.
If you are dealing with a blockage in the gut, your boy will badly fight any feed and start salivating at some point since that is the only way the constantly produced saliva can come out and he is unable to digest anything anymore.
Here is our guide on bloating. Digestive Disorders: Not Eating - Diarrhea - Bloat - GI Stasis (No Gut Movement)

Here is our one stop emergency care information package with all the necessary information that you may need: Emergency and Crisis Care as well as Bridging Care until a Vet Appointment

My fingers are firmly crossed; these things have a bad habit of happening on a weekend or holiday.
Severe illness can sadly happen at age out of the blue, no matter how good and diligent an owner you are . It is no fault of yours; it is just one of the short straws in the cosmic lottery.
 
Piggies suffering from bloat should not be given vegetables so do ensure you are careful about giving this advice.
Yes, absolutely. Be on the safe side and avoid veggies until you've seen a vet because you're worried about bloat. Thanks for picking up on my mistake here.
 
Hello everybody,

Hopefully this pings everyone, not sure how this forum works! Thank you everyone for the well wishes and the advice and links, they’ve been useful for providing some overnight care for my guy. And also thank you for the correction, I saw some debate on the term so useful to know why! He’s acting normal(ish) today, weirdly enough! He perked up for some food and even ate hay and drank water, not as excitedly as he normally does, but still! He also hung out outside of his hidey! I’m laying back on the veg, but he did attempt to steal some pieces from his dad before I decided to just feed him separately to avoid any complications. I booked him a normal vet appointment rather than an emergency for Monday, but I’m going to be out of town so a friend who I’ve trusted to watch my pigs for years, since he was born actually, is going to take him instead and let me know how it goes.

I also noticed the strange liquid-y, slosh-y sound wasn’t there today, and when I do the flick test on his belly, it sounds the same as his dad’s. I’m really hoping this was just a fluke and he was acting weird for no reason, but again, just gonna make sure at the vet!

Thank you again to everyone, you’ve all been so helpful! :nod:
 
Hello everybody,

Hopefully this pings everyone, not sure how this forum works! Thank you everyone for the well wishes and the advice and links, they’ve been useful for providing some overnight care for my guy. And also thank you for the correction, I saw some debate on the term so useful to know why! He’s acting normal(ish) today, weirdly enough! He perked up for some food and even ate hay and drank water, not as excitedly as he normally does, but still! He also hung out outside of his hidey! I’m laying back on the veg, but he did attempt to steal some pieces from his dad before I decided to just feed him separately to avoid any complications. I booked him a normal vet appointment rather than an emergency for Monday, but I’m going to be out of town so a friend who I’ve trusted to watch my pigs for years, since he was born actually, is going to take him instead and let me know how it goes.

I also noticed the strange liquid-y, slosh-y sound wasn’t there today, and when I do the flick test on his belly, it sounds the same as his dad’s. I’m really hoping this was just a fluke and he was acting weird for no reason, but again, just gonna make sure at the vet!

Thank you again to everyone, you’ve all been so helpful! :nod:

All the best. Unfortunately, none of us is a vet or can tell you what is going on sight unseen.
 
Sounds promising. It's so scary when they are at all "poorly" as they say around here.

FYI since I posted earlier, I do get a notification of new posts. Keep us in the loop! Hope he hangs in there till you get to the vet.

Any unusual poops?
 
Hello again, unfortunately this is not a good update :( I noticed my sweet Stein’s health was rapidly declining even with massages and critical care every few hours. His stomach looked as if it was expanding and upon pressing down I could just tell that it wasn’t right. I decided to call around and luckily found a vet that was open 24/7. My poor boy had to be put to sleep and I’ve just gotten home. I’m devastated as I’ve had him since he was born but just wanted to thank everybody for the advice and sweet messages. I’m at home cuddling with his cagemate and dad, my Piglet as I write this.

I’ve attached a photo that hopefully uploads of him and his former cagemate and brother who unfortunately also passed about 6 months ago. His brother, Appa, is on the left and Mr. Einstein is on the right. Both of them were the sweetest, funniest boys and always wheeked so much when I’d come home from university. They loved their spring mix and to popcorn and cuddle with each other. A bit morbid, but it’s as if they couldn’t bear to be without each other. They were born through a very difficult period of my life and helped me so much through my healing process, I cannot help but to feel as another part of me is lost. I luckily still own their sister, Momo, who is in perfect health and just seems confused as to why I did not feed her upon coming back home.

Thank you all once again, I very much appreciate all of you for the help and kindness you’ve shown me.
 

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I'm so so sorry for your loss, and sending you lots of love. Thank you for sharing ❤️
 
I'm so sorry, popcorn high over the rainbow bridge and reunite with Appa ❤️🌈
 
Beautiful photo it breaks your heart doesn't it. Sending hugs look after yourself, hopefully they are reunited now and popcorning high and happily 🌈
 
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