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A five-year-old girl has been mauled to death by a dog.

The child, named by police as Ellie Lawrenson, suffered fatal injuries when she was attacked by what was believed to be a pit bull terrier at a house in Eccleston, St Helen's. She died at the scene, Merseyside Police said.

The dog also attacked the girl's grandmother, named by police as Jackie Simpson, who is believed to be 46. She is being assessed by doctors at Wiston Hospital. Her injuries are "serious but not life threatening" and "she may well require surgery", said police.

Despite her injuries, the woman managed to shut the dog in a run outside the house.

Officers who rushed to the scene, which is home to Ellie's grandmother, uncle and aunt, found the child bleeding to death in the living room where she had been attacked.

A Merseyside police spokesman said: "The emergency services were called just before 4.30am to a report that what appears to be a pit bull terrier-type dog had attacked a five-year-old girl and a woman, at the family home in Knowles House Avenue, Eccleston, St Helen's."

Dog handlers and armed response officers went to the house where they decided to destroy the dog immediately.

Superintendent Jon Ward said: "This is such a tragic incident. When a child loses her life in such circumstances, it has an effect on the whole community.

"I would reassure the public that there will be a thorough investigation into circumstances surrounding this young child's death."

He continued: "Of utmost importance in such incidents is the safety of the public and of police officers. With that in mind, we were left with no other option but to have the animal destroyed quickly and humanely."







*sighs*
another one to the ever growing list
but I wonder if it was the fireworks or a party that freaked it out
 
Sars1359 said:
Officers who rushed to the scene, which is home to Ellie's grandmother, uncle and aunt, found the child bleeding to death in the living room where she had been attacked.
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This is on one of the police forums i go on.
Says they found her bleeding to death. Where were they. And how did they not hear her screams, assuming she did scream.
Poor kid.
 
Its funny how they never state what happened prior to the attack. A dog doesn't just decide to get up and kill someone, they usually have a good reason for it.

Kat
 
totally agree, but somethings got to be done its not the dogs fault its the owners, the sort of owners who do not train their animals, personally I would never risk any type of dog with my family and I have been so lucky with my 3 dogs since I've had kids they have all been adorable caring and faithful never giving me a minutes doubt as to their reliability, and I thank God for that after hearing about another childs death,
my 3 have all been cross breeds with labrador in them and all 7 week old pups when we got them, so they fitted in and learnt where they stood in our family, they were in no doubt that growling and snarling were not allowed and I can honestly say not once did I hear any of them do it,
I do feel sorry for responsible owners of the risk type breeds as they are now going to be considered bad evil devil dogs which is'nt fair,
maybe this dog snapped for a reason we dont know the full story yet, the last 2 dogs that killed the baby were GUARD dogs not something i would allow my kids even in same house as,
my sis in laws dog snarled at her 3 year old and she now has to keep it apart, its a German shepherd and she said she expected it of him when she got him years ago, why then did she have kids and why get him knowing she was going to be having a family with any doubt of his temprement.
my daughters now not allowed to stay there as she often did because I cannot trust the dog , sorry if that sounds nasty but my daughters much to precious to me to take any risks with, no matter how small
 
Yeah i know what your saying.I worked in a grooming parlour for 4 years and ive worked with just about every breed of dog.And my experience and opinion ( only my view) and i gotta put I'm a huge dog lover.Is ANY dog and i mean Any dog can turn and bite.They are just dogs at the end of the day, their brain works different to ours, they behavour different to us.And i think that some times owners expect them and rely on their dogs to act like humans. Ive seen the most soft lovable breed of dog bite,ive felt ( ha ha ) the bites.Ive been bit though the dog been made jump through another dog barking.And the breed of dogs ive had most bites from....west highland whites (they hate dog groomers lol) I wouldnt personally leave a dog un supervised with either of my kids because i know how things can suddenly change. But like i said i am a huge animal lover and i do feel its important for children to interact with animals and learn the responsibilty of a pet.Just needs to be more need for supervision.
And on a similar view i think that ppl should def find out more about breeds of dogs because ive had ppl own a breed of dog that was totally unsuitable to their lifestyle.Like my hairdresser whos a fab girl but shes works more hours than ever and she wants a dog, shes thinking of getting a dalmation.Who i think wouldnt be very unsuitable, dals need a lot of excerise, training,attention. Do you guys know what i mean?! I hope lol I think it could be a help to accidents with dogs, bites if ppl understood the dogs breed history, cos dogs still have this in them like border collies that bite your heels when they get excited ( what they do to sheep when working) Sorry to keep waffling on ::)
 
michellemuffin said:
my sis in laws dog snarled at her 3 year old and she now has to keep it apart, its a German shepherd and she said she expected it of him when she got him years ago, why then did she have kids and why get him knowing she was going to be having a family with any doubt of his temprement.
my daughters now not allowed to stay there as she often did because I cannot trust the dog , sorry if that sounds nasty but my daughters much to precious to me to take any risks with, no matter how small
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God no, your childs safety always has to come first. Unfortunatly it sounds like hers doesnt.
Me and OH want a dog. We decided to wait until after our baby was born as we didn't want any jealousy issues with the dog. As it is we still haven't got one, lack of money now. But i would still love one. I'd love a Alsation, OH doesn't because the 'can' be aggressive. But they can also be very protective. Still, i think i've already lost the battle on that one.
Anyways, if a dog i owned growled in an aggressive way towards my child it would be out in the garden and i would be getting a rescue to take it and (hopefully) rehome it. It would break my heart, but my child is top priority in my life.

Going back to the story, it was the uncles dog. I assume she was staying at the granmothers house, and her uncle and aunty lived there too. There has been no mention of the parents being there.
 
my dogs all 3 of them have been my life I adored all 3 of them, muffin was a GSD crossed with a labrador so we got the best of both breeds protective in a wonderful way lying under the babys cot and high chair obvioulsly he got the droppings, when he died in 92 I very nearly had a breakdown he ment that much to me, losing Charlie back in July cracked me up but Max was left to be pampered and loved, but when Max goes Lord knows how i am going to be but we have already discused this and have decieded to get another 2 pups again with lab in them, its not fail safe my kids are older but then I have grandchildren to think of now, so will again follow my heart and hopefully get another 2 wonderful dogs until then Max is my boy,
 
darkest.dreaming said:
michellemuffin said:
my sis in laws dog snarled at her 3 year old and she now has to keep it apart, its a German shepherd and she said she expected it of him when she got him years ago, why then did she have kids and why get him knowing she was going to be having a family with any doubt of his temprement.
my daughters now not allowed to stay there as she often did because I cannot trust the dog , sorry if that sounds nasty but my daughters much to precious to me to take any risks with, no matter how small
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God no, your childs safety always has to come first. Unfortunatly it sounds like hers doesnt.
Me and OH want a dog. We decided to wait until after our baby was born as we didn't want any jealousy issues with the dog. As it is we still haven't got one, lack of money now. But i would still love one. I'd love a Alsation, OH doesn't because the 'can' be aggressive. But they can also be very protective. Still, i think i've already lost the battle on that one.
Anyways, if a dog i owned growled in an aggressive way towards my child it would be out in the garden and i would be getting a rescue to take it and (hopefully) rehome it. It would break my heart, but my child is top priority in my life.

Going back to the story, it was the uncles dog. I assume she was staying at the granmothers house, and her uncle and aunty lived there too. There has been no mention of the parents being there.
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do you see a pattern here of no parents being there or someone watching them?
:(
its getting stupid now
 
Sars1359 said:
do you see a pattern here of no parents being there or someone watching them?
:(
its getting stupid now
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And it'l always be the animals that gets blamed. :'(
 
sadly the 'full' story often never gets told, appaerntly he had been warned about keeping an illeagle breed of dog, then again repoters never seem to know a westie from a ridgeback !
ive owned dogs/animals since i was 16 (I'm 44 now) ive had jack russells to dobermans & NEVER had a dog snapp or nip , ive also had 5 children & 12 step children, but i have seen how some people allow there children to behave around dogs & how untrained there dogs are around children. its a time bomb waiting to go off >:( :'(
both for the poor tots involved & the poor dogs , the end of the day it comes down to how these dogs & children are brought up..
i currently own a shar pei , 2 rotti's (who sit in my pig shed most days) & a french bull mastiff x who is 8 stone ! & i trust them 150% with my life & my kids... i dont however trust anyone eles near my dogs or other unknown dogs :-\
not everyones the same & sadly people do strange/unusal things that can trigger a dog's instinict.
poor tot , poor dog :'(
 
apparently the dog was never allowed inside and Elle was only left on the condition the dog is not to be let in, but he got in, not good enough i'm afraid with a dog like that that has already been warned and has a violent temper the child should not have been in the same street let alone the same house, and If I had lived in that street my kids would not have been allowed out,
I remember as a kid myself an alsation being let out to roam while the owners were at work, the dog use to follow us kids about and if we had ice cream or something it would chase us and jump up at us for it, I remember the terror of it, despite me having a dog at home and adoring dogs, kids should not be anywhere near dogs like that, and i am talking about the type that killed Elle that had a previous warning and was known to attack, the owner is guilty of murder by dog , it also occurs to me that these type dogs are often ownered by the stereo type male with a drug or crime background to make them look tough, why dont they realise its the dog thats tough not them, and they are paying for it with their lives poor animals, personally I would have shot the owner
 
good greif, wot a complet idiot that man is ! hopefully he will be proscueted , but more likely as the dog has been pts that will be the end of it, the dog will carry the blame for this t*** actions >:(
 
These sort of stories get to me, >:( its not the animals fault! since its a dangerous dog and they must have known this why the hell are the parents leaving the child with it alone for crying out loud! where were they! >:( again and again this is happening your never leave a child alone with any pet partically a dnagerous breed of dog, that is only doing what is natural for him, ok i really feel for the parent of these child that are killed by dogs but for heavens sake have some common sense
 
I think there 2 types of parent one who would never ever in a million years take any kind of risk no matter how small with their childs lives ( like me and most of you if not all of you) and ones who dont think they just want to go out and really dont care who has the child, my daughter in law gets to me some times her mum is an alcaholic has been all her life and drinks sherry like water shes been on her death bed a few times but my D I L leaves her daughter with her I keep saying it only takes a minute, but becasue i said it, I was wrong I'm now bad mum in law for daring to cristicise her mum who I might add has put them through hell for years, but i am not going to let them risk my grandaughters life am, I she says her brother who can do no wrong is there but he smokes drugs and is violent, there you go a risk not to be taken,
 
There's no such thing as a 'dangerous' breed of dog. These so called 'dangerous' breeds are labelled as being dangerous because they are often kept by blokes as a status symbol and are taught to be nasty and show aggression because it makes the owner look 'big'.
I have been bitten by dogs on a few occasions and none of them were these 'dangerous' breeds.

Not so long since, my sister was walking her two border collies and some dizzy cow further along the street let her toddler run up to them, grab one of them by the head and shove his face in hers.....she promptly snapped at him. Of course the dizzy cow kicked off big style about them being nasty dogs and needing muzzling and to be put down blah blah blah. The dogs are in their teens and have never shown any aggression before. The dogs were on leads and under full control, it was her kid that was out of control, which was due to her incompetance. She then called the police who paid her a visit. The police went out back to see the dogs and saw that they were soft and friendly. One of them agreed with everyone else that it was the stupid mothers fault and even his dog would snap if someone grabbed it by the head and stuck their face in its face.
What would you do if someone grabbed you by the head and shoved their face in your face? She's just lucky that her kid only got snapped at, there's plenty of dogs would have ripped his face off for doing what he did. Unfortunately it might yet happen if she's happy to let her kid go running up to strange dogs and grab their heads.

Its never the dogs fault, any problems a dog might have are due to the owner, or some other person in its past.

Kat
 
KatsCavies said:
Its never the dogs fault, any problems a dog might have are due to the owner, or some other person in its past.

Kat
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I'm not sure that I entirely agree with the latter part of the above.

I think to some extent a dogs personality/temperament (like a humans) is down to their genetics. If a dog is bred from nervous or aggressive parent/s...it's possible that to some extent is going to be predisposed to the same. I agree a lot of dog behaviour is dependant on it's treatment and training from puppyhood and beyond. I also agree that we cannot blame the dog. As for whatever reason it bites or attacks, in it's own mind it had good reason :-\

I think the recent tragedy highlights the importance of choosing carefully the type of dog that is appropriate for our own circumstances and that no dog owner should become complacent, especially when it comes to their dogs around kiddies.
When finding a new doggy pal, it's very important to go to a reputable breeder or rescue....again especially so if you have children or they visit your home regularly.

Just my thoughts,
Barbara
 
Kat, I disagree. Of course there is such a thing as a dangerous breed of dog. Like you say, the breeds are labelled dangerous because of the owners. But you don't see the kind of scum bag people parading down the street with a Yorkshire Terriers do you? They have dogs that are renowed as fighting dogs. Therefore, It is completly down to the breed.

Of course any dog can be aggressive regardless of breed, but there are more dogs of particular breeds that are more aggressive than others, therefore labelling that breed as dangerous.

It is so tragic that this has happened, yet again. I read in the paper that dozens of Pit Bulls have been seized in Merseyside. They are the unlawful ones. But why oh why, 16 years after Pit Bulls were put on the dangerous dogs list (along with the other 3 breeds on there - Japenese Toza, Dogo Argentino which I happen to love the look of and the Fila Braziliera) are people still managing to get hold of unlawful ones?

There is such a thing as a legal Pit Bull. That is one which is registered with the police, tatooed, microchipped, muzzled when in public and never to be in the possession of anyone under 16. Obviously, this would have to be an older dog as it can't have been bred and brought into this country legally. It's all very complicated but obviuosly can't be enforced and controlled.

It's a shame that people have made this breed to be what it is today (Although I know breeders who are trying the breed this aggression out of them) We have bred the most aggressive dogs with the most aggressive. And low life scum bags like to keep these dogs as accessories. Quite annoying really. I hav met a handful of pit bulls and a groomer and none have been aggressive to people....but can't be trusted with other dogs.
 
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