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Dental surgery

upsydaisymarley

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Hi, I'm new here, I took one of my guinea pigs to the vets on Monday after we noticed she struggled to eat over the weekend, we also saw that one of her front teeth were slightly longer.
The vet did checks on her and told me her teeth at the back were too long and needed fixing.
I left Upsy with them, the vet rang me later telling me she was too swollen in her mouth for her to be comfortable doing it herself and asked if it was OK to send her to one of their other practices where a specialist could do it.
I had another phone call later that day to say that they have done most teeth but one set they couldnt do as she was too swollen and I got an appointment for Tuesday next week to finish it off.
I picked her up and was given rheumocam to give twice a day and also critical care food to feed her.
We really struggled feeding her and could only manage roughly 25 ml a day as she was fighting us so much.
So on Thursday afternoon when we only had managed about 10 ml all day and she had lost close to 80 grams since Monday we called the vet again and got an appointment an hour later. We were worried about her but she also has just been hiding in the cage not moving about at all.

A different vet checked her over, listened to her heart and stomach etc and she told us her guts had started slowing down. I left Upsy with them to stay over night so they could feed her and she said they were hoping to be able to finish off her teeth during the day on Friday.
They called up in the morning saying she had had a good night and plenty of food, and surgery scheduled for 3 o clock in the afternoon.
She was again sent to that other vet who did her teeth on Monday.
Had a phone call after they finished and we were able to pick her up in the evening. On the phone though she told us she has got root problems where her teeth are growing towards the rrots pushing into her jaws.
And if she doesn't get back to eating on her own again due to the pain then unfortunately they won't be able to do anything else for her and will be needed to be put down to sleep.
I have been given plenty of meds to give her twice a day, 2 for her gut, 2 pain reliefs and 1 antibiotics.
She is doing much better and we are able to feed her well. Yesterday we were able to giver her 40 ml of food and she had put a bit of weight on, she has always been on the small side at roughly 850 grams, yesterday evening before bed was a great success as we manage 9 ml in one sitting whilst earlier in the week we were lucky if we managed 2 ml.
We let her back in her cage, cleaned them out and she was really interested in the hay but unfortunately she didn't manage to eat any.
Even though she is eating better she is still more or less just hiding away in her cage not moving about apart from after we cleaned out her cage in the evening.
When could I expect her to become a bit more herself and when can I expect her to be able to start eating hay on her own again, I hand feed her some veg and some pellets which she manages ok, she tried some grass but struggles with that too. I will sit down a bit later with her to try to hand feed her some.

Also I've looked online about her teeth problems and it sounds very much like it could be elongated roots she has got. Does anyone have more information about how piggies cope with it and if there is anything you can do to help her.
She is only just over 3 years old and we are really not ready to give up on her but if that's what we have to do because it's the best thing for her than that's what we will do even though it's heartbreaking to just think about.

I'm so sorry about the long post and me rambling on just wanted to explain everything that's happened.
Thank you
 
@furryfriends (TEAS)
Poor you and poor little Upsy, I have tagged the above member so you can get the best advice, sounds like you have both been through the mill, do hang in there and keep on with the syringe feeding. Mushed pellets and critical care food plus a little veggie baby food can be used too

Good luck 🤞
 
@furryfriends (TEAS)
Poor you and poor little Upsy, I have tagged the above member so you can get the best advice, sounds like you have both been through the mill, do hang in there and keep on with the syringe feeding. Mushed pellets and critical care food plus a little veggie baby food can be used too

Good luck 🤞
Thank you, it's been a very long week and I'm glad she is ok for now and that she is taking to syringe feeding better and not losing more weight as she is only 748 grams. Feel so sorry for her because before all this she had such a character and so full of life and all she wants to do now is sit hunched up hiding somewhere 😞

Didn't know about veggie baby food, is it the little pouches you can get from the shops?
 
The baby food comes in little sachets, you can mix it up with the mush if you are desperate to get something down her. It’s so had I have been through this with my old boy Ted. He had a badly performed dental and it took weeks for him to eat a bit of grass and a few bits of veggies. We eventually found out about Simon and Kim Maddock at the Cat and Rabbit Clinic in Northampton, they are on holiday at the moment but it might be worth giving them a call if you can travel, they are amazing and will give you an assessment of what’s wrong with her teeth. I can’t understand why they couldn’t have done the dental all in one for, it’s usually an odd spur they have to file back but sounds like they have done all her teeth?

If she is hunched up it usually means she is in pain 😞 can you ask the vets to maybe up her pain relief to see if that makes a difference?
 
The baby food comes in little sachets, you can mix it up with the mush if you are desperate to get something down her. It’s so had I have been through this with my old boy Ted. He had a badly performed dental and it took weeks for him to eat a bit of grass and a few bits of veggies. We eventually found out about Simon and Kim Maddock at the Cat and Rabbit Clinic in Northampton, they are on holiday at the moment but it might be worth giving them a call if you can travel, they are amazing and will give you an assessment of what’s wrong with her teeth. I can’t understand why they couldn’t have done the dental all in one for, it’s usually an odd spur they have to file back but sounds like they have done all her teeth?

If she is hunched up it usually means she is in pain 😞 can you ask the vets to maybe up her pain relief to see if that makes a difference?
I don't think I need any extra food for her as she is fine with the critical care but I'll keep the other stuff in mind. She has had a few pea flakes which she seemed to like but takes forever to chew and she takes some pellets and small bit of veg too.
She has been a bit more active today, she buried herself in the hay which she normally loves doing (hence she has had several hay pokes in the past 🤦‍♀️)

I'm not too far from Northampton, about an hour, I've heard of them when ive been reading threads on here, but I didn't know I could just call, I thought you needed a referral?

I'll see how she gets on today, my vet is closed today but will definitely call about more pain relief if needed tomorrow.
She already is on rheumocam 0.55 ml twice a day and gabapentin 0.07 ml twice a day for 5 days
 
You don’t need a referral but they are on holiday for 2.5 weeks. Glad she is eating some food, keep on encouraging her and weigh daily so you know she is getting enough food each day. That’s good she has plenty of painkillers.

As far as I know they are not taking anymore conscious dental at the moment
 
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Oh that's great, I read a thread on here stating you neede a referral.
She has been off her syringe food again late afternoon and evening but it might be because she has been full up as I've been feeding her more in one sitting since last night up until midday, after that I've only managed 2 ml and she was really fed up. I measured out 2 tablespoons of the critical care last night and that's what she has had during 24 hours and she was up 3 grams, the night before I measured up 2.5 tablespoons and there wasn't a chance of me feeding that amount but she stayed the same weight. So at least I know she is getting enough to keep her from losing weight.
Time to feed her again now before I'm off to bed and hoping she will be more comfortable tomorrow.

I'm planning on ringing cat and rabbit tomorrow in the hope to book an appointment for when they are back on holiday.

Thank you for the reassurance
 
I've just had a look at upsys front teeth this morning and I've noticed they aren't even.. her bottom teeth wasnt even before I took her to the vets for the first time, which was the reason I took her.
I'm now worried that they didn't even sort her front teeth out and just her back teeth. Or could they have got into this state in a week already because she isn't hay and grass?

I'm calling the vet this morning to ask and then I'll have her booked in to another vet to check her over. 😥
I'm just worried she will have to be sedated again
 
Sometimes the front teeth are a reflection of what is going on with the back teeth, but not always. Front teeth can alter very quickly though as well as back teeth if they aren’t constantly chewing. My Ted had a dental molar spur but his front teeth were always perfect. Everypig is different. I would give them a call and see if you can get an appointment, they will give you an assessment of what is wrong, although I believe they are not doing conscious dentals as far as I know, only GA, but do check

@furryfriends (TEAS) might have more knowledge on this
 
Sometimes the front teeth are a reflection of what is going on with the back teeth, but not always. Front teeth can alter very quickly though as well as back teeth if they aren’t constantly chewing. My Ted had a dental molar spur but his front teeth were always perfect. Everypig is different. I would give them a call and see if you can get an appointment, they will give you an assessment of what is wrong, although I believe they are not doing conscious dentals as far as I know, only GA, but do check

@furryfriends (TEAS) might have more knowledge on this

Definitely worth giving them a ring, but not sure what the current situation is, as the Maddock's are away until the 20th.

I called cat and rabbit but unfortunately because they are away on holiday until the 20th the receptionist said they couldn't do much and recommended me to go back to my local one and to try and have it fixed.
I have booked her in for tomorrow morning, not with the vet we took her to last week but another one, I've heard they are a bit better with piggies.

Thank you
 
I called cat and rabbit but unfortunately because they are away on holiday until the 20th the receptionist said they couldn't do much and recommended me to go back to my local one and to try and have it fixed.
I have booked her in for tomorrow morning, not with the vet we took her to last week but another one, I've heard they are a bit better with piggies.

Thank you
Good luck I hope it goes well for you both x
 
Good luck I hope it goes well for you both x

My husband took upsy to this other vet this morning and she said the teeth at the back looks fine, she obviously saw that the front teeth weren't but she also noticed she has got some other issues, her front teeth are misaligned and so is her cheek/ jaw, can't remember what my husband said now.
The vet said she can do her front teeth whilst her being conscious.
But unfortunately the misalignment is an issue which she in theory could fix but it's a big operation and she wouldn't recommend it on someone upsys size as she is very small weighing only 750 gram.
I don't know anymore what to do for the best.
I can have her front teeth done hopefully tomorrow but the problem will always be there..😪
 
Yes, they did.
I would definitely look at doing that. Have you registered your piggy with them? If not, get her registered and take whatever appointment they can offer, even if it’s many weeks away. Once she’s registered you can always ring at 8 am for an emergency on the day appointment, once Simon is back xx
 
I agree Simon is the best and most experienced vet with dental problems in the UK. I would see him as a priority as soon as you can before any other vet tbh if you can at all wait
 
I would definitely look at doing that. Have you registered your piggy with them? If not, get her registered and take whatever appointment they can offer, even if it’s many weeks away. Once she’s registered you can always ring at 8 am for an emergency on the day appointment, once Simon is back xx
She is booked in for Thursday afternoon to have the front teeth done, should she be ablet o start eating on her own after that?
We got quite a busy day coming up, will be away the whole day, and if she can't eat on her own by then I'm not sure what to do and she had started fighting us again with the syringes too
The vet recommended another brand of critical care which is high in calories and has a sweeter taste which she might like better, she also gave us a proper syringe feeder with a big nozzle to try.
Think we are all getting fed up, both humans and piggies as she really wants to eat on her own but can't. She got so excited this morning when I gave them their yum yums as we call it, they know their breakfast is coming. She tried and tried and I cut up some smaller bits for her and also tried hand feed her then, she took a few but gave up after that.
 
If the back teeth aren't right, it doesn't matter what they do with the incisors, she still won't be able to eat. It sounds like her back teeth are very overgrown, with her jaw being out of alignment. Overgrown back teeth will push the jaw out of alignment and until they are sorted, she won't be able to chew properly. I know you said the vet said the back teeth look okay, but they won't have been able to look at them properly.

I find most piggies hate critical care, so rarely use it. I use normal guinea pig nuggets, mushed up, as syringe food. Just put some in a cup, pour boiling water over them and they will mush up beautifully. Let it cool and syringe feed it to them when it's just warm. They normally much prefer it.
 
My Ella had her back teeth checked under sedation (my vet used a whiff of gas) so he could have a proper look. Thankfully they were perfect and it was her incisor that was the problem. She broke it horizontally below the gum line back in March and a weird piece of bone grew attached to the piece of tooth that was left over and my vet said it would be best to remove it along with her tooth as it was causing her difficulty eating and she was in great pain. My vet also thought there was a chance she could have a cancerous growth on her jaw. Thankfully, he now doesn’t think that’s the case but it took two weeks of syringe feeding her every two hours post op due to the pain she was in after the removal of her incisor. Thankfully, she’s doing much better now and is eating for herself and gaining weight but my point is, not all pigs can eat straight away after dental surgery depending on what work is carried out, my vet estimated a 6 weeks recovery time until her mouth is fully healed so you need to be prepared. But as Debbie says, if her back teeth are the problem, she still won’t be able to eat whatever they do with the incisors.

I fed Ella a mixture of Emeraid recovery food and mushed nuggets. She too was a nightmare and hated being fed. Sadly it’s hard work x
 
If the back teeth aren't right, it doesn't matter what they do with the incisors, she still won't be able to eat. It sounds like her back teeth are very overgrown, with her jaw being out of alignment. Overgrown back teeth will push the jaw out of alignment and until they are sorted, she won't be able to chew properly. I know you said the vet said the back teeth look okay, but they won't have been able to look at them properly.

I find most piggies hate critical care, so rarely use it. I use normal guinea pig nuggets, mushed up, as syringe food. Just put some in a cup, pour boiling water over them and they will mush up beautifully. Let it cool and syringe feed it to them when it's just warm. They normally much prefer it.
Thank you, they said the back teeth are filed down as far as they can and looked fine.
We will have her front teeth sorted on Thursday and see how we get on.
She has been eating less again, mostly just 2 ml in one sitting, managed 6 ml at 01.00, so nowhere near the amount she should have, will try mushed up pellets too.
It's just such a struggle and I hate seeing her like this.
 
My husband said her front teeth are misaligned as in her top and bottom teeth hit each other when she closes her mouth rather than her bottom teeth going behind her top teeth (or if it's the other way round).
Also that she might have kidney disease as the vet said their is a link between kidney disease and dental problems and most piggies who has kidney disease are small and don't put much weight on, which is exactly the case for upsy.
Sorry we are both working and trying to communicate via messages.
 
I’m so sorry for you both, dental problems are really awful, you will them to eat, they want to eat but unless their teeth are perfect they struggle and give up. I agree with Debbie, it does sound like the back teeth are overgrown. It can sometimes just be one single tooth that sets all the others out of alignment. Debbie is extremely knowledgeable when it comes to guinea pigs with dental problems and looks after many dental piggies I would trust her implicitly

I hope Thursday goes well, it’s such a shame Simon is on holiday
 
I’m so sorry for you both, dental problems are really awful, you will them to eat, they want to eat but unless their teeth are perfect they struggle and give up. I agree with Debbie, it does sound like the back teeth are overgrown. It can sometimes just be one single tooth that sets all the others out of alignment. Debbie is extremely knowledgeable when it comes to guinea pigs with dental problems and looks after many dental piggies I would trust her implicitly

I hope Thursday goes well, it’s such a shame Simon is on holiday

That’s so sad and I am keeping everything crossed that she doesn’t have kidney disease. I hope that things go well on Thursday. It’s such a shame that Simon is on holiday x
Thank you guys,
We are just taking it a day at the time at the moment. Not giving up on her just yet but preparing ourselves in case we have to put her to sleep. Not sure if we will be able wait until Simon is back at this stage 😞
All our hopes are for Thursday
 
Hi, just a little update. Unfortunately we had to make the very hard decision to have Upsy put to sleep on Friday as she was not showing any signs of getting better, she started refusing the syringe again, the shine in her eyes had disappeared and she looked like she had given up and was very fed up 😪
We were meant to give her the weekend to see whether the filing of the front teeth helped earlier in the week, then take one day at a time after that.
But after seeing her the last couple of days of her life she just had had enough.😞
We feel so terrible for making that decision and all the what ifs, but the vet said we made the right decision. We have had in total 5 different vets in three practices looking at her and they all said the same about her jaws. One of the vets said the only thing she could have done for her was sorting her jaws out but it was going to be a big operation or even several operations and she said she wouldn't recommend us having her sedated because of her tiny size.

Luckily our other 2 piggies are doing fine, they said good bye to her on Friday evening, sniffing, licking and grooming her, it was so sad to watch.

I feel so sad that I never got the chance to take her to the cat and rabbit clinic, I'm just telling myself that after what the other vets said about her jaw, it doesnt sound that the cat and rabbit could have done much for her anyway as we would have to have operations on her to sort her jaws out for her to be able to eat properly again .
😥😥
 
I am so sorry you had to say goodbye to Upsy, dental problems are awful and an emotional rollercoaster. She will have known just how much you cared and loved her, sending hugs x

Sleep tight little lady 🌈
 
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