Bullied or not?

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Hi everyone,

I am a new guinea pig owner and just have some questions regarding behaviour of boars.

I bought my pigs from Pets at Home, mainly because I wasn't aware there were guinea pig breeders, at the start of June. I chose 2 boars which I assumed were from the same litter because they were the same size, and for the first few weeks they were fantastic. We called them Toffee and Sprinkles and although they weren't particularly cuddly with each other but still seemed to get along. I did loads of reading in books and on various websites regarding behaviour so was watching out for all the signs.

Around the start of July they started to rumble strut and purr and nose off and lots of other little displays of dominance and then I noticed they were having the odd little fight though no blood was ever drawn and it was literally over in a few seconds. Then it seemed to die down and it seemed as if Sprinkles had established himself as the dominant one.

However, in the last week, Toffee briefly started challenging again, though only for a few days. Now he has stopped again, but Sprinkles will not stop chasing him. No blood has ever been drawn and scuffles have been literally about 4 or 5 since I bought them, but I am worried that Toffee is being bullied. He is still eating and drinking, but tenses whenever he hears Sprinkles move and if Sprinkles goes anywhere near him, he runs to the opposite side of the cage. He can only relax and sleep when Sprinkles does. There are in a 2 x 6 C&C cage - is this big enough? I did put a divider in for an hour after Sprinkles had been relentlessly chasing him for over an hour and after having a little sleep, they both started to bite the bars next to each other and wouldn't leave each others sides, so I took it away and all was fine for a little while but then the constant chasing started again. All other dominance displays seem to have stopped, it is literally just chasing now. No fights, no rumbling, nothing else and as I mentioned earlier, they have never even attempted to draw blood.

Basically, I just was looking for some advice on what to do. Does this sound like normal dominance or bullying? Toffee is very very quiet but he still moves around and will still eat and drink and run up to the side of the cage when he hears his veggies being prepared. He just can't stand to be anywhere near Sprinkles and Sprinkles does not seem to want to leave him alone. Should I separate or leave them, and how long is too long for chasing which is constant?

Any advice anyone may have would be gratefully received! Thank you!
 
No, he hasn't lost any weight. He just seems very quiet and scared of Sprinkles. He isn't chased away from food bowls or water bottles but is occasionally chased out of hideys. Would you separate them? I could just put the divider back in?
 
There will always be some dominance issues with boys, and this can be okay providing that they don't draw blood or hurt each other. Making sure that they have two of everything can help - two food bowls, two hideys etc, and give them as much space as you can.

If the dominance behaviour becomes common and excessive, rather than an odd occasion, and if either hurts the other one or stops him from eating, then you would need to separate.

I hope that it will settle down and that it won't come to that. I've got boys and know how tricky it can be
 
Thanks for that. How long would you leave it before intervening if it does develop into bullying? I just saw Sprinkles chase Toffee away from the water. I have 2 of everything already...it's getting very hard to not just split them. Toffee hasn't made any sounds all day which is also unusual.
Do you think I should just go ahead and put the divider in? If I do this, how long should I leave them separated before I try to reintroduce them?
 
Hi! Your situation is borderline bullying. Boars are going through a very hormonal phase between 4-14 months old which often happens in spikes. If you are lucky it won't go any further, but it s=is a very tough one to tell.

Weigh your boys once weekly as a matter of course and an ongoing health check for life - any weight loss is suspect. Also check regularly for bloody bites to the face, ear or rump area in case there has been a fight.

If you are really worried, you can do a little test separation for a few hours, which won't break the bond. If one of the boars is suddenly noticeably perking up when alone, you can assume that bullying has been going on and leave them separated. if both want to be back with each other, then the relationship is still working. I wouldn't separate for more than one or two days max, or you will have to go back to square one with a full formal intro on neutral ground etc.

You have several options after separating boars, but some depend on where you are, so we would be glad if you could add your area (UK) or state (US) to your details. You can do so in private messages (on top bar)/my settings/edit profile/location. That will help us immensely in giving you the appropriate advice and links!
 
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Thank you-I just want to do what is best for them. I check them very regularly and there are never any injuries, but will still keep an eye. I think I might try a separation and see if Toffee acts any differently. If he tries to get back to Sprinkles though, should I take the divider away again?
 
Thank you-I just want to do what is best for them. I check them very regularly and there are never any injuries, but will still keep an eye. I think I might try a separation and see if Toffee acts any differently. If he tries to get back to Sprinkles though, should I take the divider away again?

Yes.
 
Ok, thanks. Have added my location also. Will let you know what happens!
 
How are things going?
 
Well, they have been separated and Toffee has perked up slightly. He is still quiet but is more active. Neither has made any attempts to get back together. I will leave them separated and then try to reintroduce once they get past 14 months and see how that goes. They both seem perfectly happy to just be in their own areas.
Do you think that would be the best thing to do? Or shall I try them together again now?
 
I hope your boys get together again. It's such a shame isn't it? I've just had to separate Hamish & Dougal because Hamish had an abscess through fighting and though they are still side by side, I don't like them being alone. Dougal seems fine with it, but Hamish keeps climbing up onto his log bridge to look over at Dougal. I don't know what I'm going to do yet- whether to re-introduce them or not.
 
It is a shame. I am still hopeful it may work out in the future - they never fought properly, but I was getting anxious about the effect it all seemed to be having on Toffee. They are both much calmer today so perhaps it is for the best, not just for Toffee but Sprinkles too. At least they can still see each other. I hope your boys work it out too, I think it is much nicer if they can live together properly too.
 
I hope that they will work out! How old are they exactly?
 
I think they must be between 4 and 5 months so really quite young. I just removed the divider and the instant I took it away, Toffee tensed up and immediately started running away and freezing all the time. I gave it half an hour, watching the whole time, and he barely moved, apart from when Sprinkles chased him. His whole manner changed as soon as the divider went. They're perfectly happy to see each other through the bars so for now, I think it best to leave them. Hope this is the right thing to do!
 
Just a quick update. Toffee is much much happier on his own. He is popcorning and wheeking again, something I haven't heard him do for days and although he is happy to see Sprinkles through the bars, he is showing no interest at all in trying to get back to him. Sprinkles also doesn't seem desperate to get to Toffee, though he is occasionally rumbling at him and biting the bars, and is also popcorning. They are both much calmer though and the change in Toffee is huge. Separating them has obviously worked for the better!
 
Glad to hear this has worked for both of them and Toffee is seeming much happier! Do you have a photo of your boys?
 
It seems that they are better apart than together. Do you ever give them grass time outside. Even though mine weren't all bonded I could put them in their outdoor run & generally they'd be OK with other having plenty of space with nowhere to hide or get corned. I also use lavender oil on their backs which is supposed to have a calming effect on them. Mine go on the front lawn which is open plane so I sit with them for 45 minutes to an hour.

I'm in the middle of a bonding exercise at present but don't want to report on it till I'm certain it's accomplished. I've had so many set backs in the past.
 
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