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I have to male and got a long for half month and had a fall out and I try to put back to together in Midwest cage but now they get along sometime but then again now , what to do?
 
What are they actually doing for you to say they don’t get on?

Given a bond relies solely on character compatibility, if they have fallen out and now decided they don’t want to be together, then there is little you can do. They may need to live separately from now. It does depend on the behaviour you are witnessing though. We would require a bit more information on the situation.

How old are they? If they are, or are coming into, their teens, (4-14 months of age) then this is always the tricky time with boars.

If they have been separated, then you can’t just put them back together in a cage - they have to be properly rebonded on neutral territory. However, this will only go so far, as I have explained above, if they now don’t like each other, then the rebonding won’t work.

Do also bear in mind that a midwest cage is usually too small for a pair of boars. Boars need more room and Midwest’s usually only cover the minimum requirement for a pair, whereas a minimum for boars is recommended to be larger - they ideally need a cage at least 150cm x 60cm, as lack of space can cause tensions between two boars, particularly if they are teens. Again though, if their relationship has completely broken down then a bigger cage won’t help.

A Comprehensive Guide to Guinea Pig Boars
Bonds In Trouble
Dominance Behaviours In Guinea Pigs
Boars: Teenage, Bullying, Fighting, Fall-outs And What Next?

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Brownie is 4 or 5 month he biting the older male like they do the whole behavior like suppose to do get along again like I left in the bathroom and they seem to be find but I have been find more marks , I am just not sure what to do
 
You'll get a more thorough answer from someone more knowledgeable but proper biting leaving noticeable marks = separate now! You need to protect the older piggy. They might get along in a bigger cage but you need to protect now.
 
I think ? I'm right in saying that a guinea pig can seriously injure or kill a cagemate if they don't get along ..
 
Babyface92 said:
Brownie is 4 or 5 month he biting the older male like they do the whole behavior like suppose to do get along again like I left in the bathroom and they seem to be find but I have been find more marks , I am just not sure what to do
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Hi and welcome!

If you find wounds from fighting with full-on serious bloody bites, then please separate now. Your boys will never go back together.
Teenage lasts from around 4-14 months. It starts when the testicles descend and your boys are suddenlt hit by huge testosterone spikes. They are no longer cute little babies; they are now developing their adult boar identity.

Sadly piggies are usually not bought by prospective owners watching which piggies are staying close to each other and are obviously friends but how only for how cute they look. Unfortunately key to any successful long term bond is whether your piggies have personalities that are compatible. Yours obviously aren't.
The other major factor is that most pet shop cages are far too small. Especially teenage boars need all the space they can get to get away from each other. If the losing boar can't leave (as he would normally do), then the boys are forced to fight. Once they have had a serious fight, they will never be friends again unfortunately. :(
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Here is more information about what you can do after a fall out between your two teenagers: Boars: Teenage, Bullying, Fighting, Fall-outs And What Next?
 
Yes I agree with wiebke. If they are biting and fighting then they don’t like each other and their relationship is failing and you must permanently separate them. They can’t live together any more. Put them in separate cages But put the cages next to each other so the piggies can communicate through the bars
 
They are currently like this
 

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You’re going to have to get them bigger cages. The minimum is 120x60 for a single pig (or two sows). There is nowhere near enough space for them to run around, or do much if I’m honest.

Also, is that hay in the bowl? They need w lot more than that. Theres A high chance that the lack of space contributed to their fallout.
 
I agree with @Siikibam. A Midwest split in half is nowhere near big enough for either pig. One pig can live in the entire Midwest, so you are going to have to get another cage for the other piggy.
I also agree that there definitely is nowhere near enough hay available to them - their cage should have a large hay pile available at all times. They need to be able to eat it constantly
 
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What about something like this
 

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Would you consider looking in your local free-ads for another second-hand Midwest cage so each boy has got anough space to run around and stay healthy?

Guinea pigs should roughly eat their body size or even more in hay everyday. It is their main source of food! They can live without a small bowl of mainly leafy green veg with a slice of pepper or their daily tablespoon of pellets for a few days but never without hay. It is crucial for long term health and a life that is 1-2 years longer; the correct diet can really make such a large difference!

Please also make sure that you (and your family if you are a minor over 16 years) save up for a vet fund as part of their weekly maintenance. Illness and emergencies NEVER happen at a convenient time, but you do not want to see your pets die an avoidable agonising death because you are unable to see a vet in time.
 
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How were you thinking of using it? For just one piggy? or dividing it in half so they have one half each?
That is a 5x2 c&c cage. If you were thinking of dividing it in half, then you would need a 6x2 at a minimum, as the smallest c&c you would want for one piggy would be a 3x2.
 
i planned on separate them until I can’t get money to do a big cage, but question can they still do floor time together
 
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i planned on separate them until I can’t get money to do a big cage, but question can they still do floor time together
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You say separate until you can get a bigger cage - getting a bigger cage won’t help them live together now that fights have occurred. As they have been fighting and biting each other, they cannot live together at all any more. They will only ever be able to be neighbours, permanently separated by grids.

It’s essential is that each piggy has a big enough cage for themselves. You need each cage to be a minimum of 120cm x 60cm (or cover equivalent floor space). A 5x2 c&c will be split in half making 2.5 grids x 2 grids so ideally you would want to have a 6x2 c&c so that each piggy can have a 3x2 grid cage each. However bigger is always better.

No they cannot have floor time together. It will cause stress and fights. They cannot ever be in physical contact with each other again
 
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Do you think I should try make c&c cage and put them together?
 
Babyface92 said:
Do you think I should try make c&c cage and put them together?
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No, don’t let them live together again. If they are biting each other then their relationship has failed. Once they don’t like each other, they won’t change the minds any time soon.
As I mentioned above, You can make a c&c cage but it will need to have a divide up the middle so they can’t get to each other. Each side will need to be at least 3 grids by 2 grids.
 
Hi, as others have said, it is great that you have joined this site to seek advice from people very experienced in caring for guinea pigs.
Perhaps you missed the message, but piggies and buns has already given you a very clear answer saying that you cannot put them back together. Unfortunately this applies to whatever cage you put them in.

Guinea pigs like to have friends though, so if you can house them so they can still see and talk to each other by splitting a large cage as others have advised, that would be the best option.
 
You can look for another Midwest cage as Wiebke suggested, or get a 2x6 c&c and split down the middle so each pig has a 2x3 grid cage. They can interact through the divider (you could use grids). Interaction is more than sight and smell.

Don’t ever put them together again now, not even for lap time or floor time. They don’t get along and won’t. If you do, you risk more serious injuries.
 
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