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BullGem29

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I'm looking for some guidance and advice for our bonding. We have 4 pigs already; a neutered boar and 3 sows. The boar is 3yo, the sows are 2yo and 18mo. All get on really well. We have taken on what the rescue called a "problem child". She didn't get on with her previous herd and hasn't been successfully bonded to another boar either while in rescue. She's 18months too. Our pen is fairly large and we wanted to give her a shot. She has been housed in the same play pen as our herd but with dividers and C&Cs separating much physical interactions apart from noses. So far early introductions have been fairly promising and neutral floor time has stretched to almost an hour with no major dramas. Most we have had is some yawning, teeth chattering and rumble strutting. We have tried to put her in the herds playpen without the dividers twice and so far the worst we have had is two lunges with a bit of nipping and squealing but no blood. I'm very anxious with them and don't want anyone getting injured. Does anyone have any suggestions that we may try? I've been told we should just let them live together and only separate in extreme circumstances as every time we separate it's effectively like starting over. We do want to take things slowly though with her history. Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions? We really don't want to take her back to the rescue as she is super sweet and deserves a good life like all pigs but we don't want anyone getting hurt either
 
It is the case that every time you put them together and separate again, then you interrupt everything and they do need to start from the beginning. This causes stress and means they never get far enough into the process to know if they can be together.
Who is doing the lunging etc? Is it this new piggy? - Lunging is a defensive move, not aggressive - it’s one piggy telling the other to stay out of their space.

You say you are putting her in their cage without the dividers. Are you literally just putting her in the cage with them? That can be seen as a territory invasion. Any introduction must always be done on neutral territory and only moving them to the cage together (which also needs to be cleaned out before moving them) once things are settled between them and acceptance has occurred and the early stages of bonding are underway (it takes around two weeks of permanently living together for them to fully form their hierarchy).

It would be best to put them into a neutral territory bonding pen (not the cage where the others live) and leave them for several hours (overnight if necessary) so they have time to sort things out. During this time, they will either accept each other or not. If they do, then clean down the cage they are to live in and move them all to it.
Of course if they don’t have acceptance and compatibility, then they unfortunately will not be able to live together

What are the measurements of your cage?

These guides may help a bit further

Moody Guinea Pigs: Depression, Bullying, Aggression, Stress, Fear and Antisocial Behaviour
Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated social behaviours and bonding dynamics
 
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I'm looking for some guidance and advice for our bonding. We have 4 pigs already; a neutered boar and 3 sows. The boar is 3yo, the sows are 2yo and 18mo. All get on really well. We have taken on what the rescue called a "problem child". She didn't get on with her previous herd and hasn't been successfully bonded to another boar either while in rescue. She's 18months too. Our pen is fairly large and we wanted to give her a shot. She has been housed in the same play pen as our herd but with dividers and C&Cs separating much physical interactions apart from noses. So far early introductions have been fairly promising and neutral floor time has stretched to almost an hour with no major dramas. Most we have had is some yawning, teeth chattering and rumble strutting. We have tried to put her in the herds playpen without the dividers twice and so far the worst we have had is two lunges with a bit of nipping and squealing but no blood. I'm very anxious with them and don't want anyone getting injured. Does anyone have any suggestions that we may try? I've been told we should just let them live together and only separate in extreme circumstances as every time we separate it's effectively like starting over. We do want to take things slowly though with her history. Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions? We really don't want to take her back to the rescue as she is super sweet and deserves a good life like all pigs but we don't want anyone getting hurt either

Hi

Since the introductions have all been on the mild side, PLEASE commit and let them finally get on with instead of
aborting the bonding process soon after acceptance - it is like an arranged marriage with a couple of formal meetings between two families in full attendance and you can't get past 'Hello' and 'What is your job?' and some really awkward chit chat with everybody listening in when the full uninterrupted bonding process for guinea pigs is actually taking about two weeks in all through several more crucial stages until the group is fully established personally as well as territorially. If you want them to live together for the long, you have to give them a chance for getting married and settling together.
It is very frustrating for the piggies when they are not allowed to work as far as the leadership and group hierarchy estalishment, not even to mention the settling together as a group where dominance behaviours are right at the vert heart of the bonding process. Piggies don't do play time; every face to face meeting is a full-on bonding session. Please trust your piggies, sit by and do not interfere unless tension gets really intense or there are other clear signs that they are not coming to an agreement about leadership/ranking issues and the bonding has failed.

Even with a piggy with fear-aggression, you always take them as far as possible until you spot them getting tense and going on overload. Then it depends on whether they exchange friendly behaviours between the bars to signal that they still want to be together or not when the chips are down. Don't separate any sooner than you absolutely have because they still need to work through the whole bonding process just the same as everypig, and that includes the hierarchy establishment. The further they can get, the better; especially when behaviours are still very much in the mild range as you are reporting.
PS: I've bonded plenty of 'unbondable' or 'difficult' rescue adoptees with real fear-aggression/high stress/lack of socialisation issues over the years myself. ;)

Here is our step-by-step bonding guide, which takes you through all stages of the complex bonding process with the attendant behaviours and dynamics for every stage, including the post-intro dominance phase and which also features a chapter on fear-aggression.
Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated social behaviours and bonding dynamics

For more information on single behaviours or behaviour groups: A - Z of Guinea Pig Behaviours


Rather let the group stay in their bonding pen overnight once you have committed and all piggies are very careful to not cross the line (even if they may go close to it a few times) to allow them to settle all all the roughest part in the bonding pen without any furniture and just a sheet, blanket or beach towel pegged over the top to minimise the risk of defence bites and fights.

Make sure that you haven't got any hides with just one exit or any dead corners for the first few weeks until the dominance phase is over and they have settled down together.

All the best!
Bonding is like an operation: it is totally nerve-wracking but the more you dither making the crucial jump over
the cliff edge, the higher the cliff will grow for you.
 
Thanks everyone for your advices. We took on board what was said and we have had a very successful day. The pigs have been in the same pen now for 6 hours with only one scuffle and that's it. I guess our next hurdle is whether we keep them together now overnight. We have been taking turns to watch them and obviously we won't be able to overnight so what's the thoughts? Do we just leave them now n hope they don't go into all out war in our absence?
 
Thanks everyone for your advices. We took on board what was said and we have had a very successful day. The pigs have been in the same pen now for 6 hours with only one scuffle and that's it. I guess our next hurdle is whether we keep them together now overnight. We have been taking turns to watch them and obviously we won't be able to overnight so what's the thoughts? Do we just leave them now n hope they don't go into all out war in our absence?

Hi

PLEASE leave them be and DO NOT separate.

If nothing has happened so far, nothing will ever happen. They are ready to go in the cage together and stay together for the rest of their lives. You have had as mild a bonding as can be anyway.
 
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Now they are together and bonding you leave them together permanently. If you separate them now then everything they’ve achieved will be undone.
 
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