Bonding Gone Bad

sniz822

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Last month I got my first piggy Norman, I was so excited. Never before had I owned a piggy and I quickly learned all I could thru online forms and groups. I soon learned he needed a cage mate and after getting a Midwest cage I searched and found the perfect match a american I named William. There first introduction did not go so good and resulted in me having to separate the pair after they started going head to head and chattering, although no blood was drawn they began to spray and started to get aggressive to the point I had to separate for fear of blood being drawn. Introduction 2 went the same with brief periods of cuddling which were shattered when my bigger boar began to spray and aggressively chatter and chase my new piggy. After searching the internet for suggestions I settled on a third attempt with a bonding bath more space and plenty of veggies. The chattering was at a minimum and they were even laying together and at the 5 hour mark I cleaned the big cage and housed them together. I watched them closely however there was still some rumble strutting and chattering but nothing aggressive. At times my little pig would taunt my bigger piggy but he never hurt him. For 3 weeks they lived together in peace however the week before Christmas things changed. As soon as I turned the lights off at night the rumble strutting got bad and the chattering was so loud it woke me from my sleep at times they charged at each other but they never drew blood. The tension grew and soon my larger pig would almost growl at the little one if he went anywhere near his hut or even leave his own. One day I came home from work early and noticed the chattering at a all time high, I imidently placed Norman on my bed for a second to cool down. He began to wheek and I thought it was all fine I was wrong. I placed my second piggy on the bed and imidently they began to chatter rumble strut and circle around each other. Before I could even comprehend what happened they became a ball of fur and blood was drawn. I imidently separated them and took my little pig to the hospital who was the only one hurt. Since then they have lived in separate cages but I have since gotten a Midwest and have connected them with a bar separating the two from reaching each other however last night they began to rumble strut and chatter thru the bars and this morning wheek at each other and then go back to chattering. The little guy misses his brother even though he was attacked and actually chews at the bars trying to get thru the cage. Some have said because the injuries were minor I could re introduce them others are strongly against it. I have debated moving them to separate sides of my bedroom but fear they will get depressed without social interaction. Attached is a picture of the attack which only resulted in a facial bite which resulted in him being put on antibiotics pain medication and Silvadene cream. I just want to do what is right by my piggies what would you guys suggest. Sorry the post is so long i'm just trying to get all the facts out there.
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This is my opinion only, but I wouldn't put them back together after an injury like that. You could persevere with them next to each other, or consider separating them completely and getting them each a friend (I would try organising bondings through a rescue to ensure that they do get on). It's such a shame that it didn't work out with your two guys.
 
I don't want to put them back together, especially with how there acting thru the cage. The little guy is lost without Norman but he would only attack him again. The hard part about getting him a friend is I was told he used to go after his cage mate at the store I got him at and he did this again with Norman my fear would be he would only do it again if I got another. Norman on the other hand seems happy to be living alone he is the kind of piggy who likes to cuddle with me lie in his hut and not be bothered while William likes plenty of interaction and is always chewing at those bars trying to get into the other cage
 
Last month I got my first piggy Norman, I was so excited. Never before had I owned a piggy and I quickly learned all I could thru online forms and groups. I soon learned he needed a cage mate and after getting a Midwest cage I searched and found the perfect match a american I named William. There first introduction did not go so good and resulted in me having to separate the pair after they started going head to head and chattering, although no blood was drawn they began to spray and started to get aggressive to the point I had to separate for fear of blood being drawn. Introduction 2 went the same with brief periods of cuddling which were shattered when my bigger boar began to spray and aggressively chatter and chase my new piggy. After searching the internet for suggestions I settled on a third attempt with a bonding bath more space and plenty of veggies. The chattering was at a minimum and they were even laying together and at the 5 hour mark I cleaned the big cage and housed them together. I watched them closely however there was still some rumble strutting and chattering but nothing aggressive. At times my little pig would taunt my bigger piggy but he never hurt him. For 3 weeks they lived together in peace however the week before Christmas things changed. As soon as I turned the lights off at night the rumble strutting got bad and the chattering was so loud it woke me from my sleep at times they charged at each other but they never drew blood. The tension grew and soon my larger pig would almost growl at the little one if he went anywhere near his hut or even leave his own. One day I came home from work early and noticed the chattering at a all time high, I imidently placed Norman on my bed for a second to cool down. He began to wheek and I thought it was all fine I was wrong. I placed my second piggy on the bed and imidently they began to chatter rumble strut and circle around each other. Before I could even comprehend what happened they became a ball of fur and blood was drawn. I imidently separated them and took my little pig to the hospital who was the only one hurt. Since then they have lived in separate cages but I have since gotten a Midwest and have connected them with a bar separating the two from reaching each other however last night they began to rumble strut and chatter thru the bars and this morning wheek at each other and then go back to chattering. The little guy misses his brother even though he was attacked and actually chews at the bars trying to get thru the cage. Some have said because the injuries were minor I could re introduce them others are strongly against it. I have debated moving them to separate sides of my bedroom but fear they will get depressed without social interaction. Attached is a picture of the attack which only resulted in a facial bite which resulted in him being put on antibiotics pain medication and Silvadene cream. I just want to do what is right by my piggies what would you guys suggest. Sorry the post is so long i'm just trying to get all the facts out there.
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Poor boy! Sadly, after a bloody fight with serious bites and injuries that surpass a misjudged swipe, piggies of any gender will not go back together again. :(

Please take the time to read this guide. It lists all your options with their various pros and cons in detail, so you can make as informed a choice as possible to find the solution and the way forward that is best for you.
Boars: Bullying, Fighting, Fall-outs And What Next?
 
Thank you i'll check it out, I was in tears last night when I placed there cages next to each other and they began to fight thru the bars. It was heart breaking to see my little pig trying to befriend him again chewing at the bars and wheeking at times only for Norman to rumble strut and chatter his teeth. I think i'll just have to spend a few hours a day with each of them to give them some socialization seeing my little one will go after whatever pig I would bring home next. It's such a shame around me he is such a sweet piggy but around another pig he is a trouble starter.
 
I read my mistake I separated them at the first sign of a fight, that lead to a bigger fight. It was just so hard to watch.
 
Hi and welcome to the forum- though I'm sorry it's through such stressful terms. Boars eh? And don't apologise for the long post- it's great you've given is all the information. It helps us format an answer :)

We do advise that if blood is drawn separate and unfortunately it can be very unlikely that they'll bond again afterward- but not impossible. The one thing you dint mention is their age but I presume they are both quite young? Bonding young boars can be difficult even for the most experienced owners because once they reach 7-14 months (hope i got that right) their testicles descend and hormone levels rise- hard enough with one let alone 2 hormonal piggies. It's at this stage where they're likely to start a fight because they'll test each other and see if they can change who's 'top pig'.

The fact they went together ok for awhile is a good sign however it's not promised that it'll happen again- especially after how many attempts it took for you to get them to coincide peacefully. Now the normal process in bonding and things you should expect to see are: chasing, wheeking/squeaking, rumbling, nipping, mounting and possibly some raising of heads and mild chattering. It's when a full fight (like you experienced) that we advise separation or when one of the pairs is being bullied.

We also say that if a pair isn't working out but you don't know if they're bonded to keep them separate and see whether they pine for each other or perk up when alone. Perhaps the smaller piggy wants a friend but it's not going to work out with bigger one. Could you perhaps get the smaller one a new friend and let the other piggy live next door so they can still interact (the cage biting is normal and will stop after a while don't worry).

As I mentioned earlier it is sometimes possible to try and rebond them if you feel it's worth a shot- but bare in mind they could fight again and be prepared to intervene. I would wait about 5 weeks (I'm sure there is a more exact time frame) for things to cool down between the two and then introduce them in a large neutral area -could you perhaps corner of a section of a room or hallway for them to run in? The bigger the neutral space the better. Try doing it on a day where you have the most time and can leave them in it for most of the day.

Hope this helps

Have you thought about neutering and getting a sow instead of another boar? A boar/sow pair tend to work well.
 
Yes I think it's best to just separate them for good, if there fighting thru the bars it's only going to get worse if they are re introduced. Norman is a rather large guinea pig he is 9 months and 3lb while William is 6 months and a little over a 1lb. I want to get the little one a friend but he used to go after his cage mate at the pet store I got him from, he did it again with Norman and I fear if I brought another one home he would do it again with that one. I am considering going thru a rescue and having them pair him with another piggy seeing his is such a social pig. Norman we believe to be a cuy as he is almost 12 inches and getting bigger by the day so finding another cuy when I purchased a cuy by accident would be a little hard I would have to purchase one from out of state. Attached is a picture so you can see the size difference maybe that was half the problem.
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Yes I think it's best to just separate them for good, if there fighting thru the bars it's only going to get worse if they are re introduced. Norman is a rather large guinea pig he is 9 months and 3lb while William is 6 months and a little over a 1lb. I want to get the little one a friend but he used to go after his cage mate at the pet store I got him from, he did it again with Norman and I fear if I brought another one home he would do it again with that one. I am considering going thru a rescue and having them pair him with another piggy seeing his is such a social pig. Norman we believe to be a cuy as he is almost 12 inches and getting bigger by the day so finding another cuy when I purchased a cuy by accident would be a little hard I would have to purchase one from out of state. Attached is a picture so you can see the size difference maybe that was half the problem.
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Your two boys are unfortunately just about at the worst age for boars when the testosterone output is at its highest. Many boar bonds fail sadly at this stage. It is always very upsetting for a loving owner. :(

Give your boys time to cool down anyway; it may take a day or two as they are as shocked and upset as you. But it is highly unlikely that they will ever be friends again. But there are other ways; it is not the end of the world!

We could help ou better if you please added your your country, state/province or UK county as your options depend to a large extent on what is available locally, especially in terms of good rescues or vets. Please click on your username on the top bar, then go to personal details and scroll down to location. this makes it appear with every post you make and saves everybody time as we can tailor any advice directly to what is relevant for you instead of keeping it as general possible. We have members and enquiries from all over the world. Thank you!
 
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