Boar and sow disagreeing. (video)

[Kellykels]

Ignore me shouting "Oi!" I was just startled when they lunged. I want them to get along and Womble is not feeling his best at the moment so he doesn't really need this stress.
I took the hay cube out because they were sort of obsessing over that, but then it made no difference, which in all honesty I didn't think it would but I don't want them to fight.

 

[Kellykels]

I feel really bad that I yelled. I just don't Womble to be bitten on top of everything else he has gone through and I thought she was going to bite him in all honesty.

 

[Betsy]

I think you were very restrained! I can see why it startled you.

 

[Wiebke]

Ignore me shouting "Oi!" I was just startled when they lunged. I want them to get along and Womble is not feeling his best at the moment so he doesn't really need this stress.
I took the hay cube out because they were sort of obsessing over that, but then it made no difference, which in all honesty I didn't think it would but I don't want them to fight.

Hi!

Personally, I would separate. The bond is obviously not working out with your girl continuing to force her dominance way beyond Womble clearly not challenging here but also not fully submitting (submission squealing). Getting the personality match right is unfortunately not easy - but this one sadly isn't a good match; and there is nothing you can do about that aspect. Cross gender bondings do quite often fail during the roughly 2 weeks post-intro dominance phase in those cases where potential disagreements/interactive problems become rather stronger than settling down.
Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated social behaviours and bonding dynamics

 

[Kellykels]

Any Advice?

 

[Kellykels]

Hi!

Personally, I would separate. The bond is obviously not working out with your girl continuing to force her dominance way beyond Womble clearly not challenging here but also not fully submitting (submission squealing). Getting the personality match right is unfortunately not easy - but this one sadly isn't a good match; and there is nothing you can do about that aspect. Cross gender bondings do quite often fail during the roughly 2 weeks post-intro dominance phase in those cases where potential disagreements/interactive problems become rather stronger than settling down.
Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated social behaviours and bonding dynamics

Womble isn't 100% at the moment he has an infection
I am sorry to ask but I thought you weren't supposed to separate until blood was drawn and let them work it out between them?
So we should separate them?

 

[Kellykels]

I have taken him out and I'm sitting him on my knee until my husband gets home

 

[Piggies&buns]

Womble isn't 100% at the moment he has an infection
I am sorry to ask but I thought you weren't supposed to separate until blood was drawn and let them work it out between them?
So we should separate them?

There may never be a blood drawing fight between them but it doesn’t mean they are going to get along. You can separate when things clearly aren’t working out.
Sorry things haven’t gone well

 

[Kellykels]

There may never be a blood drawing fight between them but it doesn’t mean they are going to get along. You can separate when things clearly aren’t working out.
Sorry things haven’t gone well

It's only been today I feel awful.

 

[Piggies&buns]

Please try not to feel bad. Unfortunately there is nothing you can do influence their ability to form a relationship.

 

[Wiebke]

Womble isn't 100% at the moment he has an infection
I am sorry to ask but I thought you weren't supposed to separate until blood was drawn and let them work it out between them?
So we should separate them?

I would put a divider in.

I know that the warning to not separate until there have been bites are widespread in order to prevent people from aborting a bonding or separating at the first sign of dominance.

Both extremes should be ideally avoided provided you have the experience or recourse to an experienced person who can tell you when things are very much headed into the wrong direction.
Had you you not intervened and had Womble finally had enough the situation could have escalated into a full-on fight in a matter of seconds. When you have witnessed it once, it is quite a frigthening experience.
Your girl was clearly riled up enough to instinctively defence-bite with a deep bite. Good that you intervened vocally and not with your hands - or you yourself could have been a reveiving end of a deep and potentially crippling bite!
" Biting" And What You Can Do (Biting, Tweaking, Nibbling and Nipping)

 

[Kellykels]

I dont want him to get lonely. should i make it so the c and c grids are clear and they can see each other.

 

[Kellykels]

I would put a divider in.

I know that the warning to not separate until there have been bites are widespread in order to prevent people from aborting a bonding or separating at the first sign of dominance.

Both extremes should be ideally avoided provided you have the experience or recourse to an experienced person who can tell you when things are very much headed into the wrong direction.
Had you you not intervened and had Womble finally had enough the situation could have escalated into a full-on fight in a matter of seconds. When you have witnessed it once, it is quite a frigthening experience.
Your girl was clearly riled up enough to instinctively defence-bite with a deep bite. Good that you intervened vocally and not with your hands - or you yourself could have been a reveiving end of a deep and potentially crippling bite!
" Biting" And What You Can Do (Biting, Tweaking, Nibbling and Nipping)

I was prepared to wrap my hand in a towel and put it between them.
I was eyeing the towel as I shouted 'OI!' luckily Truffle is skittish so she is scared by human intervention.

 

[Wiebke]

It's only been today I feel awful.

Don't - not your fault. Piggies are much more complex creatures that you'd expect. Finding the right partner especially this year is very difficult. I have a whole cupboard full of failed bonding t-shirts. ~

All you can do is try and - if you can - rescue date with the option of returning the dated partner if the bond fails in the later stages of the bonding process. Otherwise it is down to plan B, C or even D... With my Beryn I am down to about plan H or I after the only companion she ever tolerated died from a sudden heart attack a year ago - and finding Betsan took 1 1/2 years.

Be upset but don't feel guilty. Mixed gender pairings stand and fall with being able to establish a mutually agreeable hierarchy. This has clearly not happened in your case. But you will never know before you try. Every bonding is down to riding the tiger. Unfortunately you seem to have ended up with a girl with some major fear-aggression/socialisation issues by the looks of it, caused by her own background.
It is unfortunately a myth that all mixed gender pairs work out - they largely do, but only once the initial all important hurdle has been taken, and yours have unfortunately fallen at it.
Moody guinea pigs: Depression, Bullying, Aggression, Stress, Fear and Antisocial Behaviour
A Closer Look At Pairs (Boars - Sows - Mixed)

For the time, just put in a divider between them and then - once you are over your upset and are no longer knee jerk reacting -, think through your possible options.

 

[Bill & Ted]

I can certainly testify to a failed mixed bonding session. Hector, Posh and Ginger bonding was what I can only describe as frightening. It goes to show, best made plans go out the window where piggies are concerned If they are next to each other they have company, so sorry this bonding didn’t work out @Kellykels

 

[Kellykels]

Don't - not your fault. Piggies are much more complex creatures that you'd expect. Finding the right partner especially this year is very difficult. I have a whole cupboard full of failed bonding t-shirts. ~

All you can do is try and - if you can - rescue date with the option of returning the dated partner if the bond fails in the later stages of the bonding process. Otherwise it is down to plan B, C or even D... With my Beryn I am down to about plan H or I after the only companion she ever tolerated died from a sudden heart attack a year ago - and finding Betsan took 1 1/2 years.

Be upset but don't feel guilty. Mixed gender pairings stand and fall with being able to establish a mutually agreeable hierarchy. This has clearly not happened in your case. But you will never know before you try. Every bonding is down to riding the tiger. Unfortunately you seem to have ended up with a girl with some major fear-aggression/socialisation issues by the looks of it, caused by her own background.
It is unfortunately a myth that all mixed gender pairs work out - they largely do, but only once the initial all important hurdle has been taken, and yours have unfortunately fallen at it.
Moody guinea pigs: Depression, Bullying, Aggression, Stress, Fear and Antisocial Behaviour
A Closer Look At Pairs (Boars - Sows - Mixed)

For the time, just put in a divider between them and then - once you are over your upset and are no longer knee jerk reacting -, think through your possible options.

I do want him to have a friend but it's difficult to know how to go about it in these times. He and Pinto are sniffing each other through the bars which is such a shame as they getting on so well and liked each other. Womble is now chewing at the bars trying to get back into the cage with the girls. It's so sad

I was thinking maybe we put Pinto in with him and Truffle being in the cage next door looking at them as she is the one who is the aggressive one and is not so bothered as Womble and Pinto are sniffing through the cages and chewing at the bars mournfully.

However it is Pinto and Truffle who came in as a pair so I'm not so sure. Is that the best thing to do?
As much as I love pigs I don't have the room to keep adopting if another bond goes wrong I live in a two bedroom flat.

 

[Kellykels]

I can certainly testify to a failed mixed bonding session. Hector, Posh and Ginger bonding was what I can only describe as frightening. It goes to show, best made plans go out the window where piggies are concerned If they are next to each other they have company, so sorry this bonding didn’t work out @Kellykels

Thank you It was hard to admit it wasn't going well.

 

[Bill & Ted]

Thank you It was hard to admit it wasn't going well.

It’s not your fault, you like me did everything right, it just seems like it wasn’t to be. I took the plunge and sent Hector off for bonding with a professional! Debbie has far more experience than I could ever gain and Hector has bonded so well when he met Kiki, it couldn’t be better and I’m so pleased. Debbie does do a residential bonding service.
Would you be able to bond Pinto with Truffle? then find Womble a young female?

 

[Kellykels]

It’s not your fault, you like me did everything right, it just seems like it wasn’t to be. I took the plunge and sent Hector off for bonding with a professional! Debbie has far more experience than I could ever gain and Hector has bonded so well when he met Kiki, it couldn’t be better and I’m so pleased. Debbie does do a residential bonding service.
Would you be able to bond Pinto with Truffle? then find Womble a young female?

Pinto and Truffle have been together since they were babies so I tried to introduce Womble in with them both.
I'm trying to find Womble a young female but I can't really all the rescues aren't doing any 'dating' and I don't want to buy from the pet shop unless of emergency.
I already tried this once in December and it wasn't happening due to Covid.

We got Pinto and Truffle from a pet shop (and I really hate doing that) but we had no choice because Womble was getting really depressed and he needed company even if it was just next to him, this was back in December. I was worried he was going to pine away since he lost Stripe.
He's done better with the girls next to him, but it would have been nice if they could've stayed together. Because he and Pinto got on very well.

 

[Bill & Ted]

Pinto and Truffle have been together since they were babies so I tried to introduce Womble in with them both.
I'm trying to find Womble a young female but I can't really all the rescues aren't doing any 'dating' and I don't want to buy from the pet shop unless of emergency.
I already tried this once in December and it wasn't happening due to Covid.

We got Pinto and Truffle from a pet shop (and I really hate doing that) but we had no choice because Womble was getting really depressed and he needed company even if it was just next to him, this was back in December. I was worried he was going to pine away since he lost Stripe.
He's done better with the girls next to him, but it would have been nice if they could've stayed together. Because he and Pinto got on very well.

I would speak to Debbie, she might be able to help you? @furryfriends (TEAS) Would residential bonding be something you would be prepared to do? You are allowed to travel for animals welfare issues

 

[Kellykels]

I would speak to Debbie, she might be able to help you? @furryfriends (TEAS) Would residential bonding be something you would be prepared to do? You are allowed to travel for animals welfare issues

Thank you for the offer. I will speak to my husband and we'll think about it but in the short term he needs to get over this infection.

 

[Bill & Ted]

Thank you for the offer. I will speak to my husband and we'll think about it but in the short term he needs to get over this infection.

Yes, Womble does, you are right, he wants to be better first. It will give you chance to have a think about who you can have a go at bonding together perhaps first. I’m the same I only wanted one cage I have only one spare room too and a rather small bungalow! best made plans

 

[alpacasqueak]

Massive hugs, sorry it didn’t work out with Womble and the girls Definitely just focus on your little man getting better, he’ll be fine with next door company for now then think about the future and a lady for him. Hope you’re ok xx

 

[Bill & Ted]

Hope you are all alright x