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Blood in Urine

Toffee and Oreo

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Hi everyone,

I have just noticed a red stain on my fleece, and I cleaned the piggies out yesterday and haven‘t given them any red foods since, so I’m pretty sure it’s blood, and I’m pretty sure it’s from my 4 year old piggie Toffee as she has some dried blood under her, but it’s just around where her belly button would be. She is acting normal, eating and drinking fine and coming to the front of her cage for a pea flake like she does everyday. Would this be a start of a uti? or what else could it be?

I can’t visit the vets for another 2 days as it’s a bank holiday and my vets are closed near me, is there anything I can do for her while we wait?
 
Depending on the amount of bleeding, she could need to be seen by a vet today.

In the UK all vets have a 24 hour emergency cover - it won’t necessarily be at your normal surgery but you will be able to see a vet today and tomorrow.
Call your normal surgery phone number and their answer phone will give details of their out of hours cover provider is.

Aside from calling the vet all you can do at home is switch to daily weight checks and monitor.

Emergency and Crisis Care as well as Bridging Care until a Vet Appointment
How Soon Should My Guinea Pig See A Vet? - A Quick Guide
 
Thanks for the response,
There’s not too much blood, there is only one spot, like a urine stain on the fleece, I’ll see if I can get a photo. I’ll take her to the vets tomorrow.
 
Here is a photo of the staining

Hi

Please keep an eye on it and contact a vet on Monday if you see more bloody or porphyrine coloured pees. Symptoms (which include squeaking when peeing and pooing) can take up to around 5-7 days to firm up with a bacterial urine infection or a sterile cystitis.

If you are lucky, it is just some staining from veg.
 
Hi again,

I have managed to get a Vet appointment for tomorrow morning, I have doubled checked that it is toffee that is bleeding as there are red crusties around her peeing area, but in the pictures below, would that be blood from urine or from something else?
 

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Hi again,

I have managed to get a Vet appointment for tomorrow morning, I have doubled checked that it is toffee that is bleeding as there are red crusties around her peeing area, but in the pictures below, would that be blood from urine or from something else?
Also I have just weighed her and she has gained 40g as 4 days ago she was 913g but now she’s 952g, would this weight gain be a cause for concern?

Sorry for all the questions, I’m a bit of a paranoid piggy owner.
 
Anything up to 50g fluctuation in either direction is within normal limits. So no, on its own it would not be cause for concern.

Let us know how you get on at the vets
 
Always ensure you weigh at the same time each day. If you weigh at a different time of day then she will be in a different place in her daily feeding routine and it can affect it and cause more fluctuation. Jusr the same as we weigh more at the end of the day than we do first thing in the morning
 
I usually weigh the little pigs around 6pm, just before I give them their veggies, do you think that she could be having trouble urinating due to this slight weight gain?
 
I usually weigh the little pigs around 6pm, just before I give them their veggies, do you think that she could be having trouble urinating due to this slight weight gain?

I’m afraid that’s not something we can answer - are you seeing plenty of wet patches in the cage?
 
On the fleece there is not anymore wet spots since this morning, but I’m not sure as there might be more wet spots in their litter box as I don’t really check in there as I just add more hay on top every day. That probably isn’t much help 😅
 
Hi,
Just been to the vet and all went well, she was diagnosed with cystitis and were prescribed metacam and co-trimoxazole paediatric suspension, are these meds safe for piggies?
 
Hi,
Just been to the vet and all went well, she was diagnosed with cystitis and were prescribed metacam and co-trimoxazole paediatric suspension, are these meds safe for piggies?
I’m grad you have a diagnosis. Poor Toffee. The meds you have been given are perfectly safe to give piggies
 
Definitely safe - metacam is a painkiller and co-trimoxazole is an antibiotic

I hope she feels better soon
 
Hi,

Toffee‘s cystitis seemed to have gone with the antibiotics as I completed the course last week and the spots of blood had stopped, however I have noticed a few new spots of orangey/red In the cage today, is it common for cystitis to return, and would I need another course of antibiotics. Also does grass or red pepper stain urine orangey/red colour, because I’m not 100% wether it is blood or not.
 
Hi,
I had Toffee who had cystitis around 2 weeks ago which cleared up with antibiotics, but I’m pretty sure it’s come back as there was a lot of blood around the cage. Is it common for cystitis to come back so quickly after treatment? And does cystitis cause this much blood? And last time I went to the vets they didn’t really do any proper tests, they only felt her stomach and listened to her symptoms, which was that there was blood in her urine, so could it be possibly something else?

There is the blood in the pictures below and there was also quite a bit in the litter tray where there was shaving.
 

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Yes, cystitis can cause a lot of bleeding. A vet will always treat for a uti / cystitis first unless they highly suspect something else. Your vet would have felt for a bladder stone / hardened bladder when doing their examination and would have conducted more tests accordingly. If the antibiotics haven’t cured the cystitis or things are getting worse, please consult your vet for further investigations
 
George had more blood and pain with his UTIs than with his stone. If Toffee's problem responded to antibiotics last time (probably within a few days of you getting the first dose in) it could just be that you need a longer course of the same stuff to be rid of the pesky thing. Unfortunately it would not be unusual.

The other thing to consider in girls is whether there could be an infection of the reproductive tract - antibiotics will still clear things up and it can be hard to tell the difference. Does she make a pained noise when she pees? Like little squeals or chirps? Is the blood where she's peed or is it just dotting round the cage as she walks? Tell the vet what you observe.

Our vet has generally done the exam (where they check them over and press round the bladder for tenderness) and given AB and painkiller - if that doesn't work or the problem persists then we look for a stone with x-ray. But it usually does work - and if we have recurrence of symptoms shortly after stopping the antibiotics they will just give a longer course.
 
There was no more blood after around 2-3 days of starting the antibiotics that I noticed, so I think she would just need a longer dose, but the thing is I haven’t observed her making any noises when she urinates, but that could just be because I haven’t seen her properly urinate when I am in her room. And last time when the vet felt her abdomen there wasn’t any discomfort there and her appetite and behaviour is completely normal.

Anyway I have got her a vet appointment today, so I’ll see what they say, it will probably be a longer course of AB I think.

Thanks for the response though.
 
Hi,
Thanks for the response, I’ll try get her seen by a vet tomorrow.

Hi

It rather looks like intensely porphyrine coloured pees to me, which are typical for cystitis; especially sterile cystitis in the acute stages and flares before they can be got under control medically. The volume of the red fluid comes from the pee and not the blood. Increased/frequent peeing is also typical for any urinary tract infections.

These red pees look like bloody pees and may (or may not) contain blood but they can throw unsuspecting owners badly.
Seemingly clear pees can actually test high for blood. It takes a lot more blood to colour pee red than you'd assume.
Sheer blood dries brown, not dark red.

However, if you have concerns that you are dealing with sheer blood and acute sheer bleeding, then please see a vet promptly.
 
Hi,
Just got back from the vets and they gave her another course of antibiotics for another week, but they said that it’s unusual for cystitis to come back, but when I read online about it, most websites said that it’s quite common, so I’m not sure what to believe with that, also they said it could be a possibility of bladder stones, which if one got into her urethra she would have to be put to sleep as there would be nothing they could do, which was a bit worrying. Surely there would be treatments to get rid of the stone, (if she had one) out of the urethra?

She responded to the first round of antibiotics, as there was no more porphyrine coloured pees, but exactly a week after treatment stopped they came back, so I am pretty sure it is cystitis or an infection of some sort, well i hope it is, as the antibiotics seemed to clear up the coloured pees.

If she did have bladder stones would it just be constant porphyrine coloured pees? And the antibiotics wouldn’t have done anything to help, right?
 
Hi,
Just got back from the vets and they gave her another course of antibiotics for another week, but they said that it’s unusual for cystitis to come back, but when I read online about it, most websites said that it’s quite common, so I’m not sure what to believe with that, also they said it could be a possibility of bladder stones, which if one got into her urethra she would have to be put to sleep as there would be nothing they could do, which was a bit worrying. Surely there would be treatments to get rid of the stone, (if she had one) out of the urethra?

She responded to the first round of antibiotics, as there was no more porphyrine coloured pees, but exactly a week after treatment stopped they came back, so I am pretty sure it is cystitis or an infection of some sort, well i hope it is, as the antibiotics seemed to clear up the coloured pees.

If she did have bladder stones would it just be constant porphyrine coloured pees? And the antibiotics wouldn’t have done anything to help, right?

There are two common infections of the urinary tract: a bacterial urine infection (UTI) more commonly seen in outdoors piggies or in Spring after putting indoors piggies out on the lawn when the ground is still too cold and damp for them (please test by standing with your own bare feet on the lawn for 5 minutes first).

The second is a non-bacterial recurring infection (a sterile interstitial cystitis, or sterile IC), which affects mainly the natural glucosamine lining that prevents the highly corrosive urine from coming into direct contact with raw tissue. Because it is non-bacterial, antibiotics won't work at or will in milder cases suppress symptoms temporarily. If a second course of antibiotics doesn't bring relief, then I would recommend to start considering sterile IC, which has become a lot more common in especially indoors piggies over the last 15 years. It is characterised by a lack or low count of bacteria in the urine (a low count usually means that there is some reaction to an antibiotic but the IC itself is not cured). Your vet will also have to exclude any other potential problems liks stones or sludge.

Sterile IC cannot be cured, only managed with glucosamine in order to replenish the glucosamine coating and meloxicam (metacam) to help with the pain and inflammation. Sterile IC runs the whole spectrum from mild to very severe. The milder forms will often eventually go away on their own and can be managed with oral glucosamine but you are looking at a matter of years rather than months. You will have to work out for yourself how low you can safely go with the maintenance dose during the intervals and how high you have to get on top of it initially (may take several weeks since the glucosamine needs time to build up in the body) and during the flares which happen every few weeks. Unless you are dealing with the extreme form (which you are clearly not), sterile IC is not deadly, doesn't cause stones and is more in the matter of a recurring nuisance. You can usually get a flare under control within a few days once you know what it takes with your own piggy.

The intense porphyrine pees are more characteristic for the onset of a sterile IC flare but please first do the next round of antibiotics in order to exclude a UTI. Sterile IC is usually not known outside vet circles that deal with guinea pigs on a very regular basis.
Here is more information: Links - Interstitial Cystitis - Guinea Lynx Records

The third variety, a bacterial bladder infection, is generally the result of an infection/inflammation of the bladder from stones or sludge banging into the bladder walls and scratching them with every pee. It should respond to an antibiotic but can recur if the stone/sludge is not removed due to more damage to the bladder walls. In this case, supplementing with glucosamine is also recommended and any blood can be the result of damage to the walls of the bladder or the urethra if the stone passes in there.

All the best.

PS: If this problem is part of an ongoing issue, please use your original thread to keep all information about an ongoing case together. None of us is around all the time, can read everything or will necessarily be able to remember everything after a thousands of one-off cases and we cannot give you the appropriate advice without knowing what we are actually dealing with. Ideally you bookmark your Health/Illness to find it easily again for your own benefit and to save us any extra work. This forum is not part of social media. We do not rely on how many new threads are created, which means that we can provide long term personalised ongoing support and that we can keep a thread running for as long as needed. Please respect that we are all doing this for free in our own free time on top of a job, our own piggies and a private life.

I have merged your threads.
 
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Did the vet say if Toffee has a stone in the urethra or ureter it couldn’t be removed? The urethra is the tube running from the bladder to the vagina and can sometimes be flushed back in to the bladder by your vet and removed from the bladder. The ureter is the tube running from the kidneys to the bladder which is a much more trickier op and when my late Connie was having urinary problems, the vet said she would have to be pts if a stone was found in the ureter but this was over 15 years ago and veterinary medicine has improved a lot since then x
 
Oh, I’m actually not sure, I guess it was probably the ureter then as that would make more sense 🙂
 
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