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Bladderstone - best diet quick fix

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Hi,

Joe started to whimper while peeing, and luckily he peed on his snacks-bag. Blood in urine. We went to the vets yesterday, and this poor little man has a big urine stone (7,2mm). Hes back on gabapentin 3 times/dag.

He's booked for surgery tomorrow and I realise I have to make another diet-plan for the future. But is there something I would be really fast to avoid/give him more off right now?

He eats with a good appetite, and is a bit upset with me for only giving him hay, cucumber, romain, pepper and tomatoes. He would love some tips!IMG-20250305-WA0047.webp
 
I'm sorry to hear this.

Please don’t feed lots of tomatoes - they are too acidic and can cause a lip infection (which can be fatal in advanced stages). One small amount every now and then as a treat is ok but they should never be in the regular diet.

Any changes to the diet takes weeks to have an effect on the calcium levels on the diet so you need to review your diet but nothing you do now is going to make a difference any time soon.

Do keep in mind that a diet too low in calcium is as bad as one which is too high so you have to find the balance.

Best wishes for the surgery

Wiebke's Guide to Pees and Stones
Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets
 
Our vet now prescribes a diuretic (Frusol) after stone removal, which the guinea pig stays on for the rest of their life. So far, since doing this, there has been no recurrence of stones, even in those who have previously had stone recurrence. He also advises removing nuggets from the diet completely.
 
Our vet now prescribes a diuretic (Frusol) after stone removal, which the guinea pig stays on for the rest of their life. So far, since doing this, there has been no recurrence of stones, even in those who have previously had stone recurrence. He also advises removing nuggets from the diet completely.
That's interesting. I wonder why a diuretic helps prevent stone formation?
 
I’ve never had a guinea pig with a bladder stone yet I also feed some high calcium foods. I feed parsley most days. However, I feed a very wet diet. I have numerous bottles and bowls of water in various parts of the cage too. When you think about guinea pigs in the wild, they will eat a lot of grass and vegetation, yet we feed lots of hay, with limited veg, so the diet is very dry.
 
That's interesting. I wonder why a diuretic helps prevent stone formation?

Hi

I am very sorry

A stronger diuretic like frusol (not sure whether it is a UK brand name or not), which contains furosemide but also some citric acid and some other stuff is helpful in stimulating the regular flushing of the bladder with stronger pees so there is less of a risk of bacteria and carbohydrates building up in the bladder.

Bladder stones are actually not made of calcium but of carbohydrates (only very rarely of oxalates), hence the recommendation to drop pellets from the diet and replace them with more veg or fresh forage in order to cut out any useless low fibre carb fillers (which make up the biggest part of pellets) from the diet.
Not being a good natural drinker - and there is nothing you can do about that - is one of the contributing factors to stones. Big drinkers usually don't get stones unless their diet is grossly overladen with calcium. However, overhydration is a much greater killer than dehydration, so you cannot just squirt plenty of water into an unwilling piggy. The normal range of drinking varies enormously individually.
Feeding more fresh, watery and mildly diuretic veg is much more effective. Fresh growing grass, dandelions (all parts; they are a good natural diuretic. especially when fed with fresh, watery veg) and any fresh forage is great if you can get it safely when growing. Cucumber and lettuce may do in the other months.

What pellets contribute to a piggy diet is protein, so you may feed - just a little! - of something else, like a pea flake a day instead. Please note that pea flakes are not a treat that should be fed unlimited; they still count towards the overall diet.. Like with everything, it is more a matter of quantity and frequency of feeding.
Protein: Pellets and Pea Flakes

Veg, fresh and dry forage, pellets and any treats all together replace the supplementary role of wild forage in the diet guinea pigs have evolved on; they make about just a bit less than a quarter of the daily food intake (the rest is grass fibre in the form of hay or fresh growing unsprayed and dog-pee grass). All the supplementary foods should be rather seen as a single food group where you are free to shift between the various sub-groups.
Without pellets, you can feed a little kale or collard greens more often - they contain less calcium weight for weight than pellets (even no added calcium ones). You do not want to make the mistake of going too low calcium in your diet, which is as detrimental as too high. There is a soft spot but it is just slightly different for every owner.

Please also review your water. More calcium and minerals come into the diet by water (especially hard water) and pellets than by any other food group. Because everybody has different water, pellets, access to local veg and hay etc. there is unfortunately no diet recommendation that works for everybody. The USA and Canada are mainly soft water countries while the UK is a mainly hard water country, all with regional variations. When we tried US recommendations for a balanced diet about a dozen years ago, we ended up with a spate of bladder stones on UK based forum...
Protein: Pellets and Pea Flakes

For a piggy to develop bladder stones, there are usually several contributing factors coming together. Unfortunately, diet is generally our only, rather clumsy and not fast acting instrument we have. It usually takes several weeks for any changes to come through.
I am sorry if this post is leaving you more bewildered but diet is very much a minefield and a constant compromise because there are no clear 'good' and 'bad' foods that should be fed in a certain amount. It is all about the balance that works for you.

Please make any major diet changes gradually over the course of a week in mounting quantity in order to avoid tummy upsets (diarrhea or bloating) and to allow the digestive bacteria to grow more of the specialists for the foods you are introducing at pace.
 
Without pellets how do they get nutrients like Vitamin D? Do you think that particular nutrient is abundant in grass and other veggies that are grown outdoors?

This is one of the main reasons I do feed pellets, because my pigs are inside most of the time and when they do get out, they're not always in the sun because it's too hot for them (the dark coloured pigs), the suns not actually out, or they like to spend most of their time eating grass from hideys/boxes that we put in their run, for shelter.

Of course Vit D is very essential for all living things, but naturally animals would be outside all the time, so it wouldn't be an issue.
 
Without pellets how do they get nutrients like Vitamin D? Do you think that particular nutrient is abundant in grass and other veggies that are grown outdoors?

This is one of the main reasons I do feed pellets, because my pigs are inside most of the time and when they do get out, they're not always in the sun because it's too hot for them (the dark coloured pigs), the suns not actually out, or they like to spend most of their time eating grass from hideys/boxes that we put in their run, for shelter.

Of course Vit D is very essential for all living things, but naturally animals would be outside all the time, so it wouldn't be an issue.
I feed pellets - not unlimited just the suggested amount every day. I just didn't want to be seen to be giving advice - there are some folk that don't feed pellets at all, but personally I do and I really like the piggie parcels joint and urinary and the pigs love them. My piggies are indoor piggies but go out in the garden and are the same as your piggies they hide under boxes etc. Your piggies are gorgeous
 
I can also recommend the piggie parcels urinary support pellets, we’ve been feeding them since the beginning of February and Bandit’s bladder issues seem to have resolved (Sterile Cystitis Questions). She hasn’t needed any Metacam for about 3.5 weeks now.
Like @KK327, mine are indoor piggies, they get 10 grams of pellets a day each.

Good luck with Joe’s surgery 🤞
 
I can also recommend the piggie parcels urinary support pellets, we’ve been feeding them since the beginning of February and Bandit’s bladder issues seem to have resolved (Sterile Cystitis Questions). She hasn’t needed any Metacam for about 3.5 weeks now.
Like @KK327, mine are indoor piggies, they get 10 grams of pellets a day each.

Good luck with Joe’s surgery 🤞
Oh that's great to hear
 
Wow! Thank you all ❤️
I had a very busy day at work, but I will read every answer on the subway. Right now I'm just crushed with anxiety because I'm away from my babyboy when he's in pain.
Good luck with everything - keep up posted
 
Hi,

Joe started to whimper while peeing, and luckily he peed on his snacks-bag. Blood in urine. We went to the vets yesterday, and this poor little man has a big urine stone (7,2mm). Hes back on gabapentin 3 times/dag.

He's booked for surgery tomorrow and I realise I have to make another diet-plan for the future. But is there something I would be really fast to avoid/give him more off right now?

He eats with a good appetite, and is a bit upset with me for only giving him hay, cucumber, romain, pepper and tomatoes. He would love some tips!View attachment 267292
He is so darn cute - look at him, little bless
 
He is so darn cute - look at him, little bless
He's mister attitude, a truly devil in disguise. He has a reputation at the vet office and yesterday he was trying to do a Mike Tyson-jab on vet. He was so angry after doing x-rays and runned from the vet after she's been giving him a shot of methadone in his sweet little bumm. He washed himself like four times, truly offended. He's my soulpig without a doubt!

Our vet now prescribes a diuretic (Frusol) after stone removal, which the guinea pig stays on for the rest of their life. So far, since doing this, there has been no recurrence of stones, even in those who have previously had stone recurrence. He also advises removing nuggets from the diet completely.
This sounds worth begging the vet to get a recipe on. What dose does your pig have, and what weight?

Hi

I am very sorry

A stronger diuretic like frusol (not sure whether it is a UK brand name or not), which contains furosemide but also some citric acid and some other stuff is helpful in stimulating the regular flushing of the bladder with stronger pees so there is less of a risk of bacteria and carbohydrates building up in the bladder.

Bladder stones are actually not made of calcium but of carbohydrates (only very rarely of oxalates), hence the recommendation to drop pellets from the diet and replace them with more veg or fresh forage in order to cut out any useless low fibre carb fillers (which make up the biggest part of pellets) from the diet.
Not being a good natural drinker - and there is nothing you can do about that - is one of the contributing factors to stones. Big drinkers usually don't get stones unless their diet is grossly overladen with calcium. However, overhydration is a much greater killer than dehydration, so you cannot just squirt plenty of water into an unwilling piggy. The normal range of drinking varies enormously individually.
Feeding more fresh, watery and mildly diuretic veg is much more effective. Fresh growing grass, dandelions (all parts; they are a good natural diuretic) and any fresh forage is great if you can get it safely when growing. Cucumber and lettuce may do in the other months.

What pellets contribute to a piggy diet is protein, so you may feed - just a little! - of something else, like a pea flake a day instead. Please note that pea flakes are not a treat that should be fed unlimited; they still count towards the overall diet.. Like with everything, it is more a matter of quantity and frequency of feeding.
Protein: Pellets and Pea Flakes

Veg, fresh and dry forage, pellets and any treats all together replace the supplementary role of wild forage in the diet guinea pigs have evolved on; they make about just a bit less than a quarter of the daily food intake (the rest is grass fibre in the form of hay or fresh growing unsprayed and dog-pee grass). All the supplementary foods should be rather seen as a single food group where you are free to shift between the various sub-groups.
Without pellets, you can feed a little kale or collard greens more often - they contain less calcium weight for weight than pellets (even no added calcium ones). You do not want to make the mistake of going too low calcium in your diet, which is as detrimental as too high. There is a soft spot but it is just slightly different for every owner.

Please also review your water. More calcium and minerals come into the diet by water (especially hard water) and pellets than by any other food group. Because everybody has different water, pellets, access to local veg and hay etc. there is unfortunately no diet recommendation that works for everybody. The USA and Canada are mainly soft water countries while the UK is a mainly hard water country, all with regional variations. When we tried US recommendations for a balanced diet about a dozen years ago, we ended up with a spate of bladder stones on UK based forum...
Protein: Pellets and Pea Flakes

For a piggy to develop bladder stones, there are usually several contributing factors coming together. Unfortunately, diet is generally our only, rather clumsy and not fast acting instrument we have. It usually takes several weeks for any changes to come through.
I am sorry if this post is leaving you more bewildered but diet is very much a minefield and a constant compromise because there are no clear 'good' and 'bad' foods that should be fed in a certain amount. It is all about the balance that works for you.

Please make any major diet changes gradually over the course of a week in mounting quantity in order to avoid tummy upsets (diarrhea or bloating) and to allow the digestive bacteria to grow more of the specialists for the foods you are introducing at pace.
Joe is totally in love with you, Wiebke. Pea flake every day? Yes please! 🥰
I have always given my boys pellets as a treat or a smaller amount to "hide and seek" in the cage, but Joe can live without those.
He's not a natural big drinker, but we can see him drink a couple of times/day. He likes watery veggies, like cucumber, and I can always give him an extra piece. Now when summer enters he loves his watermelon (every kind of melon). I just cant be so cruel he doesn't get any basil or parsley ever again, but I will be more restrictive (which includes all Joes favorites; kale, spinach, most herbs...). He is five years old, and I guess thats important to have in mind when planning his diet. He's always been a big hay-eater, and now when we're going into spring/summer he loves fresh grass.
 
I can also recommend the piggie parcels urinary support pellets, we’ve been feeding them since the beginning of February and Bandit’s bladder issues seem to have resolved (Sterile Cystitis Questions). She hasn’t needed any Metacam for about 3.5 weeks now.
Like @KK327, mine are indoor piggies, they get 10 grams of pellets a day each.

Good luck with Joe’s surgery 🤞
I will check for those in Sweden/look for some supplier that ships to Sweden. He has been eating Science Selective Grain Free until now, because of dental issues. I think Joe can survive without pellets, but the other one will be a drama if he doesn't get a few at least. Pellets that support urinary is just good when you're in your Golden years.
 
He's mister attitude, a truly devil in disguise. He has a reputation at the vet office and yesterday he was trying to do a Mike Tyson-jab on vet. He was so angry after doing x-rays and runned from the vet after she's been giving him a shot of methadone in his sweet little bumm. He washed himself like four times, truly offended. He's my soulpig without a doubt!


This sounds worth begging the vet to get a recipe on. What dose does your pig have, and what weight?


Joe is totally in love with you, Wiebke. Pea flake every day? Yes please! 🥰
I have always given my boys pellets as a treat or a smaller amount to "hide and seek" in the cage, but Joe can live without those.
He's not a natural big drinker, but we can see him drink a couple of times/day. He likes watery veggies, like cucumber, and I can always give him an extra piece. Now when summer enters he loves his watermelon (every kind of melon). I just cant be so cruel he doesn't get any basil or parsley ever again, but I will be more restrictive (which includes all Joes favorites; kale, spinach, most herbs...). He is five years old, and I guess thats important to have in mind when planning his diet. He's always been a big hay-eater, and now when we're going into spring/summer he loves fresh grass.

He can still have a little fresh basil or parsley every now and then. Keep in mind that they are just very small amounts if you give just a sprig or two but different herbs are very good for trace elements etc.
 
I'm sorry I didn't notice you were in Sweden - Piggie Parcels only post in the Uk at the moment :(
 
I didn't notice sorry :(

It always pays to have a quick glance underneath the avatar picture. The way I answer a thread usually depends on where the poster is located and the conditions (as far as I know) in their country re. brands, vet access, climate etc., like to help make it easier to find specific medication or something comparable if possible.
 
Sorry, neither did I 🫢 What about Cystease, or some other supplement containing glucosamine? Would those be available to you?
I will look in to that!
All advice are good advice, if I cant find like Piggie Parcels in Sweden, I might find something equivalent 😊

Now we're on our way to the vets. Joes not very happy about it, and I'm very very nervous. He has some bad luck this little one. But he found some grass;IMG_20250403_073114.webp
 
He's mister attitude, a truly devil in disguise. He has a reputation at the vet office and yesterday he was trying to do a Mike Tyson-jab on vet. He was so angry after doing x-rays and runned from the vet after she's been giving him a shot of methadone in his sweet little bumm. He washed himself like four times, truly offended. He's my soulpig without a doubt!


This sounds worth begging the vet to get a recipe on. What dose does your pig have, and what weight?


Joe is totally in love with you, Wiebke. Pea flake every day? Yes please! 🥰
I have always given my boys pellets as a treat or a smaller amount to "hide and seek" in the cage, but Joe can live without those.
He's not a natural big drinker, but we can see him drink a couple of times/day. He likes watery veggies, like cucumber, and I can always give him an extra piece. Now when summer enters he loves his watermelon (every kind of melon). I just cant be so cruel he doesn't get any basil or parsley ever again, but I will be more restrictive (which includes all Joes favorites; kale, spinach, most herbs...). He is five years old, and I guess thats important to have in mind when planning his diet. He's always been a big hay-eater, and now when we're going into spring/summer he loves fresh grass.

We have a sanctuary guinea pig, who was surrendered to us after he got another bladder stone within two months of a previous removal. Our vet removed the stone, which was huge, and he now has 0.1ml of Frusol twice a day. So far, no sign of recurrence.
 
We have a sanctuary guinea pig, who was surrendered to us after he got another bladder stone within two months of a previous removal. Our vet removed the stone, which was huge, and he now has 0.1ml of Frusol twice a day. So far, no sign of recurrence.
I'll ask the vet when I go pick Joe up about diuretics and if its possible for Joe to have.

The vet was pretty positive about an easy removal. Now Joe is in her hands and I will go home try to rest a really bad cold away. Me and Joe can sync our calendars when it comes to getting sick in some kind of way. This is his forth surgery (dental before), and I got sick everytime. Soulmate ❤️ happy to have a big little Kongo at home to try to focus on, and that he really enjoys to hang out
 
It always pays to have a quick glance underneath the avatar picture. They way I answer a thread usually depends on where the poster is located and the conditions (as far as I know) in their country re. brands, vet access, climate etc., like to help make it easier to find specific medication or something comparable if possible.
Will do Wiebke from Coventry - this is how daft I am I literally look at the piggy picture LOL - I get very distracted by everyone's gorgeous piggies but I spot now the where you are from and will pay attention from now on! I hope you are doing ok.

PS I just looked at how you pronounce your name which is totally NOT how I have been imagining - I am having to reinvent you
 
I'll ask the vet when I go pick Joe up about diuretics and if its possible for Joe to have.

The vet was pretty positive about an easy removal. Now Joe is in her hands and I will go home try to rest a really bad cold away. Me and Joe can sync our calendars when it comes to getting sick in some kind of way. This is his forth surgery (dental before), and I got sick everytime. Soulmate ❤️ happy to have a big little Kongo at home to try to focus on, and that he really enjoys to hang out
I usually manage to have human illnesses at the same time as piggy ones 🤧 Hope you both feel better soon 🤗🤗
 
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