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Bladder stone operation

rhimorrison

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One of my little girls is going for an operation on Monday to get one large bladder stone removed. We had an xray done today.

She is around 2/2.5 even though she had blood in her urine she is still very active, eating, drinking and rumbing about, losing little weight but gaining it back most of the time.

I am honestly so terrified I'm going to lose her, I've had piggies taken to the vet for operations and they haven't made it home due to being opened up to find tumours or something else going on. I know I run the risk of losing her with this operation but she needs it.

Has anyone had surgery on their piggies and survived it? I'm actually terrified. Been crying for hours.

Below is a photo of my little Sweetie from the 10th of October, she has had a butt cut since this photo.
 

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I’m so sorry your girl is unwell. But it is better it’s removed than leave to cause more pain and damage. I hope she makes it out of the op well. ❤️
 
HUGS! Poor you. Just pamper her now and know you have no choice but to do it.

Earlier this year my piggie Nutmeg had a very large abscess from her jaw removed. It was a long andbcomplicated procedure. She survived, had a few hard days afterward with a little GI stasis, but went on to get back to her normal self 💕

(full disclosure, she did pass away a few weeks later from something unrelated)

Good luck to Sweetie and keep me posted. Currently one of my other piggies is on watch for stones. She has calcium crystals and bladder sludge, and reoccuring UTIs. I'm sure surgery will happen eventually :(
 
There's always a risk with anaesthetic, but bladder stone ops are pretty common and usually the piggie recovers fine. I had a boar aged about 3 who had a stone removed, it was the size of a large pea :eek: the vet said it just about filled his whole bladder! He came round well after and started munching on grass very soon.
In his case, he was still anaesthetised after the xray when they phoned to confirm the presence of a large stone and ask if we wanted it removed then and there, so he didn't have to go back under at a later date.
 
There's always a risk with anaesthetic, but bladder stone ops are pretty common and usually the piggie recovers fine. I had a boar aged about 3 who had a stone removed, it was the size of a large pea :eek: the vet said it just about filled his whole bladder! He came round well after and started munching on grass very soon.
In his case, he was still anaesthetised after the xray when they phoned to confirm the presence of a large stone and ask if we wanted it removed then and there, so he didn't have to go back under at a later date.


Oh wow! I don't think Sweeties was that big but when I saw the x-ray it looks huge, not pea sized. It is right down at the bottom of her. Just finger crossed everything goes okay.
Sweetie was awake during the x-ray and they said they could do it but the Vet i see regularly said she is in surgery on Monday and she can do it.

Out of all the vets at the surgery she is the one I trust to most, most of the other vets have fobbed me off with medication but she doesn't, she actually takes time to check over the girls and actually be sure on what's happening, which with piggies is very hard.
 
HUGS! Poor you. Just pamper her now and know you have no choice but to do it.

Earlier this year my piggie Nutmeg had a very large abscess from her jaw removed. It was a long andbcomplicated procedure. She survived, had a few hard days afterward with a little GI stasis, but went on to get back to her normal self 💕

(full disclosure, she did pass away a few weeks later from something unrelated)

Good luck to Sweetie and keep me posted. Currently one of my other piggies is on watch for stones. She has calcium crystals and bladder sludge, and reoccuring UTIs. I'm sure surgery will happen eventually :(

Oh I'm so sorry to hear about Nutmeg 💔
I will keep you posted, this is my second girl going for an operation. My first was Roxy and it was to get (what we thought was ovarian cysts) turns out she has a big tumour and her organs had wrapped around. Unfortunately she didn't make it back to us.
Hard going through it all again.
 
One of my little girls is going for an operation on Monday to get one large bladder stone removed. We had an xray done today.

She is around 2/2.5 even though she had blood in her urine she is still very active, eating, drinking and rumbing about, losing little weight but gaining it back most of the time.

I am honestly so terrified I'm going to lose her, I've had piggies taken to the vet for operations and they haven't made it home due to being opened up to find tumours or something else going on. I know I run the risk of losing her with this operation but she needs it.

Has anyone had surgery on their piggies and survived it? I'm actually terrified. Been crying for hours.

Below is a photo of my little Sweetie from the 10th of October, she has had a butt cut since this photo.

Hi!

Stone operations in sows are actually one of the easier ops with a very good recovery rate. I have had a spate of stones in my piggies in 2012-13 when I experimented with the diet and for a while got the calcium ratio in the diet exactly wrong. But all piggies have made it safely through their operations. Even Ceri, who was found to have a rabbit sized stone that didn't cause any symptoms until she suddenly started losing weight like nobody's business. She was a very borderline 520g at coming up to 5 years - but she made it through the op and was back to 700g within two weeks of op.

My Minx did make it through two bladder stone ops in 2006 and 2007; at a time when we knew a LOT less and when there was very little (and not exactly accurate) information about diet and bladder stones around. She is by far not the only piggy I know that has had more than one successful bladder op. And things have thankfully moved on a whole lot since then!

But it all depends on how good and confident your operating vet is.
Here is our recommended vets locator: Vet Locator

Here are post-op care tips: Tips For Post-operative Care

However, you want to review your diet:
- Most of the calcium in the diet comes via the water. Filtering it is the single most important measure you can take.
- Pellets contain weight by weight more calcium than the veg highest in calcium - and that goes even for the no added calcium ones. Please do not feed more than 1 tablespoon per piggy per day max. Pellets also contain mostly filler and much less fibre compared to hay, so they should be more of a daily treat than a large part of the diet.
- Hay, hay and more timothy hay - the more hay your piggy eats, the better. Fresh grass is high in vitamin C; hay also contains it. It is the reason why piggies never had the need to make their own in the first place. Guinea pig guts are laid out to process grass/hay fibre optimally with two runs through the gut. The growth rate of the crucial grinding molar and premolar teeth at the back of the mouth has evolved to be perfectly in sync against the very abrasive silica in grass and hay as their main diet. Just because hay and grass are not part of a human diet, they have for far too long just been treated as a dietary non-entity. Hay is the single most important health promoting and life prolonging food that guinea pigs can eat unlimited amounts of (ca. 80%).
- Veg: Please don't overfeed. Opt for a mix of green leaves and high fluid green veg like cucumber and a little high trace element food like fresh herb plus a slice of pepper to mimic a natural diet. If your stone piggy is not a good drinker (many aren't), the up the amount of fluid rich veg a little to encourage stronger pees that wash any calcium and bacteria out and help minimising the build-up of further stones.
Stay off root veg and grains (including sweetcorn).
Here are our detailed diet recommendations; you can find them under special diets: Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets

Please be aware that it takes several weeks before any diet changes work through the body. The calcium absorption process is a complex and not yet fully understood one. Unless you grossly overfeed calcium, there are usually other factors playing into the formation of bladder stones. Diet is just the one factor where we can make a real difference. Until earlier this month, I haven't had any bladder stones for 7 years in the 40-50 piggies have have come here to live with me in meantime.

All the best! Unfortunately for you, there is no alternative to an operation but I can promise you that the sheer relief from the pain of the stone usually contributes to a quick recovery once the healing process is getting seriously underway after a couple of stones.
It takes a leap of faith after a bad experience, but this is a very different beast. ;)
 
Hi!

Stone operations in sows are actually one of the easier ops with a very good recovery rate. I have had a spate of stones in my piggies in 2012-13 when I experimented with the diet and for a while got the calcium ratio in the diet exactly wrong. But all piggies have made it safely through their operations. Even Ceri, who was found to have a rabbit sized stone that didn't cause any symptoms until she suddenly started losing weight like nobody's business. She was a very borderline 520g at coming up to 5 years - but she made it through the op and was back to 700g within two weeks of op.

My Minx did make it through two bladder stone ops in 2006 and 2007; at a time when we knew a LOT less and when there was very little (and not exactly accurate) information about diet and bladder stones around. She is by far not the only piggy I know that has had more than one successful bladder op. And things have thankfully moved on a whole lot since then!

But it all depends on how good and confident your operating vet is.
Here is our recommended vets locator: Vet Locator

Here are post-op care tips: Tips For Post-operative Care

However, you want to review your diet:
- Most of the calcium in the diet comes via the water. Filtering it is the single most important measure you can take.
- Pellets contain weight by weight more calcium than the veg highest in calcium - and that goes even for the no added calcium ones. Please do not feed more than 1 tablespoon per piggy per day max. Pellets also contain mostly filler and much less fibre compared to hay, so they should be more of a daily treat than a large part of the diet.
- Hay, hay and more timothy hay - the more hay your piggy eats, the better. Fresh grass is high in vitamin C; hay also contains it. It is the reason why piggies never had the need to make their own in the first place. Guinea pig guts are laid out to process grass/hay fibre optimally with two runs through the gut. The growth rate of the crucial grinding molar and premolar teeth at the back of the mouth has evolved to be perfectly in sync against the very abrasive silica in grass and hay as their main diet. Just because hay and grass are not part of a human diet, they have for far too long just been treated as a dietary non-entity. Hay is the single most important health promoting and life prolonging food that guinea pigs can eat unlimited amounts of (ca. 80%).
- Veg: Please don't overfeed. Opt for a mix of green leaves and high fluid green veg like cucumber and a little high trace element food like fresh herb plus a slice of pepper to mimic a natural diet. If your stone piggy is not a good drinker (many aren't), the up the amount of fluid rich veg a little to encourage stronger pees that wash any calcium and bacteria out and help minimising the build-up of further stones.
Stay off root veg and grains (including sweetcorn).
Here are our detailed diet recommendations; you can find them under special diets: Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets

Please be aware that it takes several weeks before any diet changes work through the body. The calcium absorption process is a complex and not yet fully understood one. Unless you grossly overfeed calcium, there are usually other factors playing into the formation of bladder stones. Diet is just the one factor where we can make a real difference. Until earlier this month, I haven't had any bladder stones for 7 years in the 40-50 piggies have have come here to live with me in meantime.

All the best! Unfortunately for you, there is no alternative to an operation but I can promise you that the sheer relief from the pain of the stone usually contributes to a quick recovery once the healing process is getting seriously underway after a couple of stones.
It takes a leap of faith after a bad experience, but this is a very different beast. ;)


Thank you so much for all of your advice, I'll be definitely looking into a lot more things and changing the diet for everyone to be on the safer side.

Just one thing I am terrified about is making sure the vet knows what she is doing. I know guinea pigs are a smaller animal to work on and not many vets have much experience.
What questions should I ask my vet?
The vet I've gone to has been very helpful and in my eyes probably the best Vet I have had. But with this operation being a pretty big one, when we spoke in person she did keep telling me there are a lot of risk but if everything goes to plan the operation should be fine.
I'm with Vets4Pets in Irvine, Scotland.
I've seen on the locater that there is a vet in East Kilbride who is recommended, should I give them a call as well and ask them.
 
Also, just wanted to add this.

Did a spot clean of the pen this morning and changed their hay over.
Sweetie hasn't properly lay down in a few days but here she is.
 

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Thank you so much for all of your advice, I'll be definitely looking into a lot more things and changing the diet for everyone to be on the safer side.

Just one thing I am terrified about is making sure the vet knows what she is doing. I know guinea pigs are a smaller animal to work on and not many vets have much experience.
What questions should I ask my vet?
The vet I've gone to has been very helpful and in my eyes probably the best Vet I have had. But with this operation being a pretty big one, when we spoke in person she did keep telling me there are a lot of risk but if everything goes to plan the operation should be fine.
I'm with Vets4Pets in Irvine, Scotland.
I've seen on the locater that there is a vet in East Kilbride who is recommended, should I give them a call as well and ask them.

You are always free to ask another vet. Unfortunately there always is a certain risk with spaying operation that any vet will tell you about; it is a bit higher than with some other operations but no vet or surgeon will ever achieve a 100% success rate. Underlying unknown issues and idiosyncratic adverse reactions to GA do happen even though operation success rates in guinea pigs have overall generally gone up massively over the last 10 years. Any operation is always a leap of faith that you have to take.

However, if you really have such a problem yourself, I would enquire with your vet whether hormone treatment may be a valid alternative for you; it can also work on some fluid filled cysts and shrink them. It is about as expensive as an operation.

The vets on the locator are member recommended.
 
Just an update. I don't know if I've done the right thing.


They have removed the stone but found a mass in her bladder which does have a good blood supply. They phone and asked what I would want to do and I've asked if we can refer her to another animal hospital to see what they say regarding the mass. They said that the mass could keep growing and cause more issues down the line. I had taken the route of getting her all stitched up and bringing her home to see how she gets on and see about the referral. The vet said for dogs it looks like a couple of thousand to get masses like that removed.

Going to see how she gets on over the next few days recovering and see how we get on. Apart from having trouble peeing she is in great health, hasn't lost much weight, kept the same or gained a little. She is active and socialable. I feel if she was very very ill I'd have let her go but because she is still young and has a fair bit of fight in her I want to take the chance and see how she gets on.

When I go in to collect her later today ill find out more from the vets but the call I had was very emotional I've not managed to take it all in!
 
I'm glad she's done with the surgery 💕

Honestly, I think I would have done what you did. Were they offering to remove the mass right then and there?

Hope she gets well soon and the mass doesnt get any worse.
 
I'm glad she's done with the surgery 💕

Honestly, I think I would have done what you did. Were they offering to remove the mass right then and there?

Hope she gets well soon and the mass doesnt get any worse.

For the mass, because it had a good blood supply they didn't mention about removing it, I don't think they are able to then and there. I think it would need to be a specialist.

When I went to collect her, another vet said I did the right thing by giving her another chance. So I felt so much better. I've been up with her most of the night. She seems fine, eating and passing urine, just not any poops!

Going to see how she is over the next few hours and if need be pop back to the vets tomorrow! So glad to have her home, I've been staying in the livingroom with her all night to keep an eye on her.
 
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