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Bladder issues vet not 100% sure

Rhea94

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Please can I get some advice.
My GP has been crying when she pees for the past 3 months. I have taken her to the vet 4 times. Yesterday the vet did an x-ray; My GP advised Gp has inflammation of the bladder and also cancer. No bladder stones were found. My GP hasn't lost any weight with the pain but she does cry when peeing.
The vet has advised me that it would be cruel to keep my GP alive as no medication of metacam gets rid of the pain.

I want to do what's best for my GP, any advice would be great.
 
I’m sorry to hear your piggy is so unwell. There are piggies on here who have been on long term metacam (and stronger pain relief). I would consider getting a second opinion if possible.

May I ask where the cancer is located? How did they say that would be managed? And how did they treat her previously with regards to squeaking while peeing? What was she diagnosed with?

I don’t have any advice except to say that you know your piggy beat. If you feel she no longer has quality of life then you can consider the next steps. I hope you can come to a conclusion that suits her, and you, soon.
 
Please can I get some advice.
My GP has been crying when she pees for the past 3 months. I have taken her to the vet 4 times. Yesterday the vet did an x-ray; My GP advised Gp has inflammation of the bladder and also cancer. No bladder stones were found. My GP hasn't lost any weight with the pain but she does cry when peeing.
The vet has advised me that it would be cruel to keep my GP alive as no medication of metacam gets rid of the pain.

I want to do what's best for my GP, any advice would be great.

Hi

You are always allowed to get a second opinion.

Is your vet aware of sterile interstitial cystitis, i.e. nonbacterial regularly flaring up bladder inflammation, which causes exactly the symptoms you are describing but cannot be healed by antibiotics. It has become increasingly more common over the last 15 years but it not much known outside vet circles that see guinea pigs very regularly.
Sterile IC can only be managed with metacam and mainly with glucosamine (which is not classed as a medication but as a food supplement); in this, it follows sterile feline cystitis (FSC, which is something your vet may know about). It is mainly the natural glucosamine coating of the walls of urinary tract that is affected; this coating prevents highly corrosive urine from coming into direct contact with raw tissue - hence the squeaking when peeing and pooing and the inflamed bladder walls.

We recommend to use feliway cat bladder supplement capsules for ease of application in milder to medium cases; you mix the powder of one capsule with 2 ml of water and then give 1 ml of the well shaken mix every 12 hours.
In more extreme cases that do not react to oral glucosamine, recent research has shown that cartrofen injections do also work for guinea pigs.
It may however take a few weeks initially for the extra glucosamine to build up in the system, so there is no quick cure and you will experience sudden flare-ups every few months. Once you have got on top of the acute symptoms, you can then establish a maintenance dosage and how much to up it with an acute flare to get on top of it quickly. Milder cases can eventually go away on their own (more in a matter of years than months). The good news is that unless you have got the most severe forms (whcih you haven't), sterile IC doesn't shorten the life span and doesn't cause bladder stones.
You can additionally help with some long term dietary measures; again, it will take some weeks until they work their way through the body.

Here is more information on sterile IC:
Links - Interstitial Cystitis - Guinea Lynx Records
Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets (read the guide and especially the chapter on guinea pigs with urinary tract issues).
We get regularly posts on here from desperate people whose vets are at end of their wits because they have never heard of it so it may be well worth to pursue this rabbit down its hole first before putting your piggy to sleep.

PS: Nerys, the big piggy in my avatar picture on the left, had sterile IC for three years but then lives another 3 years free of any urinary tract problems and died at the ripe old age of 8 years from an age related problem in 2016. Just to hopefully give you a bit of a more encouraging perspective. ;)
 
Please can I get some advice.
My GP has been crying when she pees for the past 3 months. I have taken her to the vet 4 times. Yesterday the vet did an x-ray; My GP advised Gp has inflammation of the bladder and also cancer. No bladder stones were found. My GP hasn't lost any weight with the pain but she does cry when peeing.
The vet has advised me that it would be cruel to keep my GP alive as no medication of metacam gets rid of the pain.

I want to do what's best for my GP, any advice would be great.

i’m so sorry about your baby being poorly😢 my girl is currently on meds for a suspected UTI and also ‘cries’ when she wees, it’s horrible knowing they are in pain. like others have suggested i’d get another opinion and hopefully you can find other options to help her! please keep us updated, got everything crossed for both you and your pig!❤️‍🩹
 
I’m sorry to hear your piggy is so unwell. There are piggies on here who have been on long term metacam (and stronger pain relief). I would consider getting a second opinion if possible.

May I ask where the cancer is located? How did they say that would be managed? And how did they treat her previously with regards to squeaking while peeing? What was she diagnosed with?

I don’t have any advice except to say that you know your piggy beat. If you feel she no longer has quality of life then you can consider the next steps. I hope you can come to a conclusion that suits her, and you, soon.
Thank you so much for your message.
My guinea pig called "fats" only cries when she pees and sometimes the cry is very high pitched and she doesn't look comfortable while peeing. It been an ongoing issue for the past 4 months, with many trips the vet. My GP hasn't lost any weight, loves her food and hay, and runs around and squeaks often. She can be a very moody GP but I love her for that, but she does seem happy. Just not when peeing.

At the most recent vet appointment; 2 xrays were done and a urine sample taken which had blood in it. The vet said that GP has; inflammation of the bladder walls and lots of sludge which is the cancer.
The vet prescribed metacam 0.3 twice daily and advised some urinary dietary support products, but advised that if the problem didn't get better that it would be best to put my GP to sleep.
The vet has previously prescribed baytril 0.6 daily and metacam: which didn't 100% help as my GP still cried.

At the appointment I didn't feel the vet was 100% sure and maybe unaware of what it could be and just advised its best for GP as she in pain.
I know i should have asked more questions.

I'm going to do my best to get a second opinion, money is very tight, but I do want to do what's best for my GP Fats ❤️‍🩹
 

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i’m so sorry about your baby being poorly😢 my girl is currently on meds for a suspected UTI and also ‘cries’ when she wees, it’s horrible knowing they are in pain. like others have suggested i’d get another opinion and hopefully you can find other options to help her! please keep us updated, got everything crossed for both you and your pig!❤️‍🩹
Ohh no, I do hope your GP get better too!
Very difficult hearing and seeing them in pain.
Thank you so much for you message ❤
 
Hi

You are always allowed to get a second opinion.

Is your vet aware of sterile interstitial cystitis, i.e. nonbacterial regularly flaring up bladder inflammation, which causes exactly the symptoms you are describing but cannot be healed by antibiotics. It has become increasingly more common over the last 15 years but it not much known outside vet circles that see guinea pigs very regularly.
Sterile IC can only be managed with metacam and mainly with glucosamine (which is not classed as a medication but as a food supplement); in this, it follows sterile feline cystitis (FSC, which is something your vet may know about). It is mainly the natural glucosamine coating of the walls of urinary tract that is affected; this coating prevents highly corrosive urine from coming into direct contact with raw tissue - hence the squeaking when peeing and pooing and the inflamed bladder walls.

We recommend to use feliway cat bladder supplement capsules for ease of application in milder to medium cases; you mix the powder of one capsule with 2 ml of water and then give 1 ml of the well shaken mix every 12 hours.
In more extreme cases that do not react to oral glucosamine, recent research has shown that cartrofen injections do also work for guinea pigs.
It may however take a few weeks initially for the extra glucosamine to build up in the system, so there is no quick cure and you will experience sudden flare-ups every few months. Once you have got on top of the acute symptoms, you can then establish a maintenance dosage and how much to up it with an acute flare to get on top of it quickly. Milder cases can eventually go away on their own (more in a matter of years than months). The good news is that unless you have got the most severe forms (whcih you haven't), sterile IC doesn't shorten the life span and doesn't cause bladder stones.
You can additionally help with some long term dietary measures; again, it will take some weeks until they work their way through the body.

Here is more information on sterile IC:
Links - Interstitial Cystitis - Guinea Lynx Records
Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets (read the guide and especially the chapter on guinea pigs with urinary tract issues).
We get regularly posts on here from desperate people whose vets are at end of their wits because they have never heard of it so it may be well worth to pursue this rabbit down its hole first before putting your piggy to sleep.

PS: Nerys, the big piggy in my avatar picture on the left, had sterile IC for three years but then lives another 3 years free of any urinary tract problems and died at the ripe old age of 8 years from an age related problem in 2016. Just to hopefully give you a bit of a more encouraging perspective. ;)
Thank so you so much for all the information! And some hope too. I just want to try everything possible to help her as I do feel she has quality of life still and enjoys her time just not when she pees, so I do think it's right to try everything and then go from there. I don't feel right putting her to sleep.

Really appreciate the message and info 🙏😇
 
Thank you so much for your message.
My guinea pig called "fats" only cries when she pees and sometimes the cry is very high pitched and she doesn't look comfortable while peeing. It been an ongoing issue for the past 4 months, with many trips the vet. My GP hasn't lost any weight, loves her food and hay, and runs around and squeaks often. She can be a very moody GP but I love her for that, but she does seem happy. Just not when peeing.

At the most recent vet appointment; 2 xrays were done and a urine sample taken which had blood in it. The vet said that GP has; inflammation of the bladder walls and lots of sludge which is the cancer.
The vet prescribed metacam 0.3 twice daily and advised some urinary dietary support products, but advised that if the problem didn't get better that it would be best to put my GP to sleep.
The vet has previously prescribed baytril 0.6 daily and metacam: which didn't 100% help as my GP still cried.

At the appointment I didn't feel the vet was 100% sure and maybe unaware of what it could be and just advised its best for GP as she in pain.
I know i should have asked more questions.

I'm going to do my best to get a second opinion, money is very tight, but I do want to do what's best for my GP Fats ❤️‍🩹

We have got a list of recommended vets on the top bar: Recommended Guinea Pig Vets

If it is sterile interstitial cystitis, then it is not the most expensive long term illness to treat as you can go cheap on the glucosamine if needed. ;)
 
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