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Bald spot?

Animallover2245

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Hello everyone.


I didn’t add this to my previous post. to do with Rusty Squinting which I noticed yesterday however this time when he was handled. He squealed a lot and a lot of his fur came off however I just put that down the shedding and now I’ve noticed a bald spot on his fur. I know it’s not normal for pigs to have bald spots and his brother Pete has no bald spots.

Awkard thing is I’m not going to be able to take him to the vet these upcoming days as I’m going on holiday in a few days. My friend is looking after them then.
(The picture is the same bald spot from different angles). I’m guessing it’s a sign of parasites? Could that also be connected to Rusty’s squinting a lot and if it is a sign of parasites can his cage mate Pete also catch them? Are there other reason except parasites they can get bald spots?
 

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Please have then checked for potential parasites. For example, the area the picture shows is a classic place for mange mites to show. There may be other reasons for bald spots but seeing a vet and checking out medical angles always needs to be done first.
Only a vet can tell you what you are dealing with
Yes the other piggy can potentially catch parasites.
 
Please have then checked for potential parasites. For example, the area the picture shows is a classic place for mange mites to show. There may be other reasons for bald spots but seeing a vet and checking out medical angles always needs to be done first.
Only a vet can tell you what you are dealing with
Yes the other piggy can potentially catch parasites.
Thanks. Are parasites contagious to humans? Or does that depend on the parasite.

I just checked my local vets, The awkard thing the only times that are available are early in the morning and I won’t be able to make those times due to my local bus route and as I don’t drive. Monday I’m dropping them off at my friends to be looked after as I’m going on holiday early on Tuesday. (Another reason I was asking if parasites are contagious) So I don’t know what to do as there’s no suitable time I can make at my vets there registered in.
 
Parasites such as mites are species specific so will not affect humans (except ringworm, which is a fungus not parasite, but that is highly transmissible including to humans - this does not look like ringworm though)

Yes, hay mites and mange mites will infest all piggies. Hay mites are annoying but mange mites can be a serious issue.
Barbering (hair eating) can cause bald spots but this too needs a vet check as if a piggy is chewing/biting at a particular spot, then it indicates irritation and/or pain in the area which needs to be dealt with.

The guide below gives information on the types of piggy parasites, along with the treatment a vet would prescribe and the hygiene measures (including throwing hay out and starting fresh in the case of hay mites)

Obviously though, we cannot know exactly what is going on in your case and can only advise you to see a vet.
Can your friend take them to the vet for you?

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Parasites such as mites are species specific so will not affect humans (except ringworm, which is a fungus not parasite, but that is highly transmissible including to humans - this does not look like ringworm though)

Yes, hay mites and mange mites will infest all piggies. Hay mites are annoying but mange mites can be a serious issue.
Barbering (hair eating) can cause bald spots but this too needs a vet check as if a piggy is chewing/biting at a particular spot, then it indicates irritation and/or pain in the area which needs to be dealt with.

The guide below gives information on the types of piggy parasites, along with the treatment a vet would prescribe and the hygiene measures (including throwing hay out and starting fresh in the case of hay mites)

Obviously though, we cannot know exactly what is going on in your case and can only advise you to see a vet.
Can your friend take them to the vet for you?

New Guinea Pig Problems: Sexing & Pregnancy; URI, Ringworm & Parasites; Vet Checks & Customer Rights

My friend does have a vet 15 min walk away from a house. But it’s not the vet I’m registered at I’m catching the bus on Monday morning and could easily get there before I drop them off as well. However how does it work if it’s not a vet your guinea pigs are registered at. Does it just mean you have to register you guinea pigs again at that vet?
 
My friend does have a vet 15 min walk away from a house. But it’s not the vet I’m registered at I’m catching the bus on Monday morning and could easily get there before I drop them off as well. However how does it work if it’s not a vet your guinea pigs are registered at. Does it just mean you have to register you guinea pigs again at that vet?

Yes they would have be registered, but it also depends if that vet practice is taking on new clients
 
Yes they would have be registered, but it also depends if that vet practice is taking on new clients

I was able to get an appointment at my registered vets on Monday at 10.30am. I miss read the dates I was away I’m going away on holiday on Wednesday not Tuesday. (Dropping the pigs off on Tuesday).

I think it defiently is some sort of sign of parasites as the bald spot is still there (which I knew would happen) and noticed him stratching a lot like 3 times in a row after 1 minute today
 
Thanks guys, I’m glad I realised then as the bald spot is still there and Rusty is scratching himself even more frequently now and biting his own fur. But still eating. I’m glad I was able to get an appointment tommorow.
 
Is it Ivermectin spot-on lotion? Linking in from a previous post:
Have a look at the active ingredient in your product. It might be something called ivermectin - I have some experience with this.

Ivermectin is often used both for mites (which are usually too small to see) and lice (which are small but usually visible - like the headlice on schoolchildren) The vet-strength product we get is called xeno-450 and it spots onto the skin (I put it on the bald bits behind the ears, into rosettes and then down the spine lifting the fur to do it). If you have mites or lice it works very fast - beginning within the first hour. There may be a lot worse scratching at first as mites in the skin spasm as they die which triggers a frenzy of itching - this should pass within a few hours though as they are killed off. Lice aren't so dramatic!

If your piggy stops scratching after the treatment this is a good sign that you have identified your problem. But ivermectin only works on live critters - not on the eggs. We give 3 doses: the 2nd after 2 weeks and the 3rd after another 2 weeks. This is because the life cycle of the critter is about THREE weeks from egg to breeding adult so we kill the live ones (and then blitz out the cage after a day or so) and 2 weeks later any eggs should have hatched but the critter will not be at breeding maturity yet (we hope!) so the second dose should finish them off (and the cage is blitzed again). But then we get a third dose to make sure no-one has escaped! Also I always treat all piggies at the same time as the other pigs can harbour mites and lice without any symptoms. It can get expensive with the xeno. But I know that there are alternative products used in some countries.

If your piggy is still scratching tomorrow it is either something else or the product was not perhaps strong enough. Good luck, and let us know how you get on x
 
If you got the xeno 450 and Rusty is a full grown adult pig one tube is one dose.
If you got mini xeno-50 and Rusty is a baby it will depend on body weight.
If Rusty is min 1.2 kilo and they gave you mini xeno-50 it might not actually be enough as Pete should also be treated at the same time.

You may well notice more desperate scratching from Rusty as the stuff starts to work. Xeno 450 comes as a box of 6 which is usefully 3 doses each for a pair of adult pigs. It says the min weight should be 1.2 kilo but if he's only a little lighter there should still be no problems. My habit is to take in adults, oldies and 'remaining' piggies so over the years we've had a few passengers and this stuff has never given us any cause for concern or side effects. The worst was when my long haired fluffball was trying to groom after and ended up looking like a pineapple!
 
Is it Ivermectin spot-on lotion? Linking in from a previous post:
If you got the xeno 450 and Rusty is a full grown adult pig one tube is one dose.
If you got mini xeno-50 and Rusty is a baby it will depend on body weight.
If Rusty is min 1.2 kilo and they gave you mini xeno-50 it might not actually be enough as Pete should also be treated at the same time.

You may well notice more desperate scratching from Rusty as the stuff starts to work. Xeno 450 comes as a box of 6 which is usefully 3 doses each for a pair of adult pigs. It says the min weight should be 1.2 kilo but if he's only a little lighter there should still be no problems. My habit is to take in adults, oldies and 'remaining' piggies so over the years we've had a few passengers and this stuff has never given us any cause for concern or side effects. The worst was when my long haired fluffball was trying to groom after and ended up looking like a pineapple!

It says the instructions on the medication

It says spot on Xeno 450 and Rusty is around 11/12 months. It says to apply 1 pette to the back of the neck and down the spine. What does Pette mean? And it doesn’t say how often
 
it’s a pipette - the little tube that you have been supplied with.

You squeeze the contents out of the tube onto the back of his neck. Do it today. Then in two weeks time you need to give another tube. A further two weeks after that you give the third tube . So it will take three treatments and six weeks to complete the course.

the treatment only kills live mites, not eggs, so doing all the treatments is important. This first treatment kills the mites which are present now. By the time you come to give the second treatment, the eggs which are present right now will have hatched and will be caught by treatment two. The third treatment makes sure any stragglers are killed
 
it’s a pipette - the little tube that you have been supplied with.

You squeeze the contents out of the tube onto the back of his neck. Do it today. Then in two weeks time you need to give another tube. A further two weeks after that you give the third tube . So it will take three treatments and six weeks to complete the course.

the treatment only kills live mites, not eggs, so doing all the treatments is important. This first treatment kills the mites which are present now. By the time you come to give the second treatment, the eggs which are present right now will have hatched and will be caught by treatment two. The third treatment makes sure any stragglers are killed

There’s only 1 tube. ?
 
Oh right, you need to get back in touch with the vet. You need three tubes per piggy.

Also ensure you clean out the cage, disinfect it thoroughly (ideally with F10) throw away anything which can’t be washed including hay and thoroughly clean hides (wooden hides can be soaked in diluted F10 solution).

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I’m dropping the pigs of at my friends tommorow. With the pigs I spot clean every other day and full clean every Friday. I don’t have time tonight to clean out the hutch as I’m
Cooking my own dinner and Its not my normal cleaning day. should I ask my friend to call them tommorow as the vets closed 6.30pm today. As I said before I’m going on holiday on Wednesday early morning and dropping the pigs of at my friends tommorow. They’ll be in a temporary cage then
 
Yes it would be a good idea for your friend to call them on your behalf.
Disinfecting (rather than just cleaning) is an important step to ensure mites and eggs are eradicated, including throwing away hay - the mites may have come in on the hay so by keeping it you risk continuing the cycle.
These things never come up at a good time unfortunately!
 
Yes it would be a good idea for your friend to call them on your behalf.
Disinfecting (rather than just cleaning) is an important step to ensure mites and eggs are eradicated, including throwing away hay - the mites may have come in on the hay so by keeping it you risk continuing the cycle.
These things never come up at a good time unfortunately!
If they did come on hay? How do you not know there on the hay you replace?
 
I wouldn't worry too much about the hay right now as long as you blitz out the cage and wash anything that might be carrying eggs. Personally I just get Pets at Home hay because a guy in the shop once told me that it's probably sprayed at some point because it's mass produced and pretty cheap! I'm happy with that. I had an incident with local organic farm hay where some little harmless things crawled out and were all over my downstairs so we had to have a bit of a purge and for my indoor pigs it just wasn't worth the risk again. The pigs were fine, but little beetles were in all my cupboards!

It's thought that quite a few pigs just carry a few mites here and there but for some reason they can occasionally take hold and cause problems. I've found it's kind of ongoing - a bit like cats/dogs and occasionally getting them flea treated. Every time a new pig is introduced here there is a risk of them bringing something in - they don't always of course but sometimes they have. But I've gotten used to looking for the signs of scratching and shedding now. They all shed some, and when it warms up in summer or the heating comes on in winter they all shed more, but the shedding from a piggy suffering with a mite infestation is something else. You notice more and more hair everywhere, sudden bouts of intense scratching, sensitive skin, bald patches and just general not-very-happy looking. But if you can treat your 2 boys effectively you might never have this problem again!

We get prescribed the 450 and it comes in boxes like this
xenobox.webp and a single 'pipette' looks like this xenotube.webp a tiny tube: and a box contains 6 pipettes but the vet might not always prescribe by the boxful. Going by my previous vet experiences your vet should have ideally given you 3 pipettes for Rusty and 3 pipettes for Pete (if he knew there was another pig living in contact with him). Some vets follow the rule that if a piggy doesn't have symptoms there's no need to treat but that's a bit like finding your kid has nits and assuming that the rest of the class doesn't so usually a more senior vet at the practice will have a word. The companion can harbour mites and the cycle starts again. If your friend is happy to phone the vet and explain that mites were diagnosed, there are two pigs, but only one pipette was given they should hand over more xeno. You will pay for each tube but you shouldn't have to pay for another consultation as it was down to them!

If it helps, here is a link to the product data sheet https://www.dechra.co.uk/Files/Files/ProductDownloads/uk/Xeno450_Datasheet_UKIE.pdf and if you look on page 2 you will see it says "For the treatment of an existing infestation, repeat doses are required two weeks and four weeks after the initial application".

Use that tube on Rusty anyway if you haven't already, because he's obviously suffering at the moment and it will clear any mites he has. The only thing is the symptoms will reappear a few weeks down the line as any eggs hatch and grow. If Pete can't be treated now because you are going away there's not too much point treating him more than a few days later. So if you are going to be a week or 10 days away just start from scratch when you get back. But if your friend can prise at least one more tube out of the vet and dob it onto Pete's skin they should because then you can just tackle the repeat doses in 2 weeks - you have a bit of time. Don't rub it through the fur - you are trying to dob it onto the skin at the roots and it is then absorbed through the skin and goes all round the system - this is why it depends on body weight. Good luck - your friend is welcome to either join the forum or (if it's allowed) log on as you if they need any support.
 
I wouldn't worry too much about the hay right now as long as you blitz out the cage and wash anything that might be carrying eggs. Personally I just get Pets at Home hay because a guy in the shop once told me that it's probably sprayed at some point because it's mass produced and pretty cheap! I'm happy with that. I had an incident with local organic farm hay where some little harmless things crawled out and were all over my downstairs so we had to have a bit of a purge and for my indoor pigs it just wasn't worth the risk again. The pigs were fine, but little beetles were in all my cupboards!

It's thought that quite a few pigs just carry a few mites here and there but for some reason they can occasionally take hold and cause problems. I've found it's kind of ongoing - a bit like cats/dogs and occasionally getting them flea treated. Every time a new pig is introduced here there is a risk of them bringing something in - they don't always of course but sometimes they have. But I've gotten used to looking for the signs of scratching and shedding now. They all shed some, and when it warms up in summer or the heating comes on in winter they all shed more, but the shedding from a piggy suffering with a mite infestation is something else. You notice more and more hair everywhere, sudden bouts of intense scratching, sensitive skin, bald patches and just general not-very-happy looking. But if you can treat your 2 boys effectively you might never have this problem again!

We get prescribed the 450 and it comes in boxes like this
View attachment 207064 and a single 'pipette' looks like this View attachment 207065 a tiny tube: and a box contains 6 pipettes but the vet might not always prescribe by the boxful. Going by my previous vet experiences your vet should have ideally given you 3 pipettes for Rusty and 3 pipettes for Pete (if he knew there was another pig living in contact with him). Some vets follow the rule that if a piggy doesn't have symptoms there's no need to treat but that's a bit like finding your kid has nits and assuming that the rest of the class doesn't so usually a more senior vet at the practice will have a word. The companion can harbour mites and the cycle starts again. If your friend is happy to phone the vet and explain that mites were diagnosed, there are two pigs, but only one pipette was given they should hand over more xeno. You will pay for each tube but you shouldn't have to pay for another consultation as it was down to them!

If it helps, here is a link to the product data sheet https://www.dechra.co.uk/Files/Files/ProductDownloads/uk/Xeno450_Datasheet_UKIE.pdf and if you look on page 2 you will see it says "For the treatment of an existing infestation, repeat doses are required two weeks and four weeks after the initial application".

Use that tube on Rusty anyway if you haven't already, because he's obviously suffering at the moment and it will clear any mites he has. The only thing is the symptoms will reappear a few weeks down the line as any eggs hatch and grow. If Pete can't be treated now because you are going away there's not too much point treating him more than a few days later. So if you are going to be a week or 10 days away just start from scratch when you get back. But if your friend can prise at least one more tube out of the vet and dob it onto Pete's skin they should because then you can just tackle the repeat doses in 2 weeks - you have a bit of time. Don't rub it through the fur - you are trying to dob it onto the skin at the roots and it is then absorbed through the skin and goes all round the system - this is why it depends on body weight. Good luck - your friend is welcome to either join the forum or (if it's allowed) log on as you if they need any support.

Thanks for that info and I’m only going away for 6 days.
 
Thanks guys, I just wanted to update Rustys bald spot has almost gone and he’s not stratching a lot anymore.

However after bringing them back to me I’ve been getting itchy myself. I’m not allergic to anything and have no bites on. So I don’t know why I’m getting itchy (it only started when I brought back the guinea pigs to mine.)

(I know the itchiness isn’t from the heat as I’m used to hot weather)


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Glad Rusty's feeling better - don't forget about those repeat doses or you'll be back to square one in a fortnight!

I couldn't tell you why you're itching too! But piggy mites and lice are not passed on to people (thank goodness) and anything else like Ringworm you'd spot on yourself straight away as you'd have an obvious itchy patch that looked like a bright red ring. Personally I've been itching in the hot weather and have had to dip my whole body in a tepid bath before bed each night to calm it all down. But my hands have been the worst, the skin is tight and I've got heat bumps - even my usual soaps are triggering everything off. This heat has been something else!

People can develop allergies to the fur and to the hay (some types more than others it seems) but I have no personal experience of this. You could try nipping down to the pharmacist and asking for a general anti-histamine. I'm 50 now and a couple years back before covid I started to itch all over. Even the soles of my feet itched as I walked along, and my gums itched as I chewed food! After a few weeks of it getting worse I suddenly came up in hives (on my backside, if you can believe it) which looked horrendous for about 20 minutes and then disappeared just as fast. But I got a photo. Apart from this one time there was no rash or reddening - I don't get allergies to stuff - but on the strength of that one startling pic my doc rec'd me to try a cheap off-the-shelf antihistamine called Loratidine to calm down my immune response and it was like a miracle. I took one a day for quite a few months, then every other day, then twice a week, then as and when. It was 'hormonal changes' apparently. If you are a man or a younger lady this will be totally irrelevant to you but if you're a female of a certain age...?
That's all I can offer! 😅
 
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