Amount of veggies everyday

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Hello,
I am a new guinea pig owner, I have two male guinea pigs, both 8 months old. They have hay in the cage all times, I give them veggies 4 times a day, each time with some veggies with the size of 1/6 of a normal cucumber, and I feed them about a hand full of pellets every two days, should I make changes to anything?
 
The feeding guide is below

Feed unlimited hay.

Veg is one cup per pig per day. So if you wish to feed veg four times then make up their one cup portion each, but then split it into four separate portions so that you don’t inadvertently over feed.
Many of us feed veg just once or twice a day but how you feed is up to you.
The sample plate in the guide below shows the amount of veg they should have in a day.

It sounds as if you could be over feeding pellets.
Pellets are just one tablespoon per day. Pellets are the least important and least healthy part of the diet. They should never have constant access to pellets (hay is the only food they should have all the time) - Give them their one tablespoon per day and then remove the bowl until the next day. You don’t want them to be able to snack on pellets whenever they want as they need to be filling up on hay.
Pellets contribute a lot of calcium to the diet and too much calcium can contribute to health problems. Too many pellets can cause them to not eat enough hay so it is important to ensure you use a tablespoon measure to only give them one tablespoon each a day.

Ensure drinking water is filtered.

Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets
 
The feeding guide is below

Feed unlimited hay.

Veg is one cup per pig per day. So if you wish to feed veg four times then make up their one cup portion each, but then split it into four separate portions so that you don’t inadvertently over feed.
Many of us feed veg just once or twice a day but how you feed is up to you.
The sample plate in the guide below shows the amount of veg they should have in a day.

It sounds as if you could be over feeding pellets.
Pellets are just one tablespoon per day. Pellets are the least important and least healthy part of the diet. They should never have constant access to pellets (hay is the only food they should have all the time) - Give them their one tablespoon per day and then remove the bowl until the next day. You don’t want them to be able to snack on pellets whenever they want as they need to be filling up on hay.
Pellets contribute a lot of calcium to the diet and too much calcium can contribute to health problems. Too many pellets can cause them to not eat enough hay so it is important to ensure you use a tablespoon measure to only give them one tablespoon each a day.

Ensure drinking water is filtered.

Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets
How many grams of vegetables is in one cup? We feed them 25 grams per pig per day now, is that too little?
 
How many grams of vegetables is in one cup? We feed them 25 grams per pig per day now, is that too little?

The guide explains everything fully.

Differing vegetable densities makes working in weights very difficult. However generally a cup going by the amounts of each veg on the sample plate in the guide would be around 50g per pig per day.
I know for a fact I feed a bit more veg than a cup per pig. I feed a lot of fresh herbs to my lot.

Its overfeeding pellets which can be more of an problem than slightly overfeeding veg.
 
The guide explains everything fully.

Differing vegetable densities makes working in weights very difficult. However generally a cup going by the amounts of each veg on the sample plate in the guide would be around 50g per pig per day.
I know for a fact I feed a bit more veg than a cup per pig. I feed a lot of fresh herbs to my lot.

Its overfeeding pellets which can be more of an problem than slightly overfeeding veg.
ah ok, because on different articles someone said it is 30g veg per pig per day max, one of my friend's guinea pig died because apparently it ate too much according to the doctor, so if I feed them 50g of veg per pig per day, do they have a chance of eating too much that they die of it?
 
The guide explains everything fully.

Differing vegetable densities makes working in weights very difficult. However generally a cup going by the amounts of each veg on the sample plate in the guide would be around 50g per pig per day.
I know for a fact I feed a bit more veg than a cup per pig. I feed a lot of fresh herbs to my lot.

Its overfeeding pellets which can be more of an problem than slightly overfeeding veg.
They also have unlimited hay available at all times so is it possible for them to eat too much hay after eating veg?
 
They also have unlimited hay available at all times so is it possible for them to eat too much hay after eating veg?

No it’s not possible for them to ever have too much hay. It is 80% of their daily food intake, they need to be grazing on hay constantly for dental and gut health. It’s their main food source. If they don’t eat hay, they will be unwell.

They need to be filling up on hay and then having veg as a supplementary portion of their diet to give additional nutrients.


ah ok, because on different articles someone said it is 30g veg per pig per day max, one of my friend's guinea pig died because apparently it ate too much according to the doctor, so if I feed them 50g of veg per pig per day, do they have a chance of eating too much that they die of it?

But as I said, weights are incredibly difficult - 30g of dense veg such as cucumber or pepper would be a tiny amount. 30g of lettuce or herbs would be considerably more due to it being less dense. This is why using volume (and not weight) is easier, and using the sample plate to give an idea or the amount of each veg .

A piggy will not die from simply eating veg, but their digestion needs to be accustomed to veg and fresh grass (each Spring time access to fresh grass needs to build up slowly). They might become unwell from eating vastly too much veg but in conjunction with not getting enough hay. Some veg can cause problems (cruciferous veg for example can cause bloat which in some cases has the potential to be fatal).
Too much veg and not enough fibre can cause gut imbalance issues - soft poops and diarrhoea, bloat (gas) etc.
But, this is why new piggies need to be slowly accustomed to different types of veg so you can watch for any signs if is causing digestive issues.

My boys are grazing on grass 14 hours a day in summer (always built up slowly every year so as to not cause bloat), having their evening portion of leafy greens, herbs and a high vit c veg, as well as eating huge amounts of hay constantly (they don’t get pellets daily - they only get a tablespoon of pellets about three out of the seven days).

The forum guide is one which will serve you well - we wouldn’t be advising use of the guide, or following it ourselves, if there was a risk associated with it. If it was a straightforward case of 50g of veg would kill a piggy then we would all be losing our piggies. Try not to overthink it.

Ensure you give -
Unlimited hay - 80% of their daily food intake. Monitor their weight weekly to ensure they are eating enough hay. If they arent eating enough then they will lose weight.
One cup of veg - it only makes 20% of the daily food intake. Is not enough to affect their weight hugely. Ensure you add new veggies in slowly.
One tablespoon of pellets - 5% of daily food intake. Always keep limited. It’s the expendable part of the diet.
 
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No it’s not possible for them to ever have too much hay. It is 80% of their daily food intake, they need to be grazing on hay constantly for dental and gut health. It’s their main food source. If they don’t eat hay, they will be unwell.

They need to be filling up on hay and then having veg as a supplementary portion of their diet to give additional nutrients.




But as I said, weights are incredibly difficult - 30g of dense veg such as cucumber or pepper would be a tiny amount. 30g of lettuce or herbs would be considerably more due to it being less dense. This is why using volume (and not weight) is easier, and using the sample plate to give an idea or the amount of each veg .

A piggy will not die from simply eating veg, but their digestion needs to be accustomed to veg and fresh grass (each Spring time access to fresh grass needs to build up slowly). They might become unwell from eating vastly too much veg but in conjunction with not getting enough hay. Some veg can cause problems (cruciferous veg for example can cause bloat which in some cases has the potential to be fatal).
Too much veg and not enough fibre can cause gut imbalance issues - soft poops and diarrhoea, bloat (gas) etc.
But, this is why new piggies need to be slowly accustomed to different types of veg so you can watch for any signs if is causing digestive issues.

My boys are grazing on grass 14 hours a day in summer (always built up slowly every year so as to not cause bloat), having their evening portion of leafy greens, herbs and a high vit c veg, as well as eating huge amounts of hay constantly (they don’t get pellets daily - they only get a tablespoon of pellets about three out of the seven days).

The forum guide is one which will serve you well - we wouldn’t be advising use of the guide, or following it ourselves, if there was a risk associated with it. If it was a straightforward case of 50g of veg would kill a piggy then we would all be losing our piggies. Try not to overthink it.

Ensure you give -
Unlimited hay - 80% of their daily food intake. Monitor their weight weekly to ensure they are eating enough hay. If they arent eating enough then they will lose weight.
One cup of veg - it only makes 20% of the daily food intake. Is not enough to affect their weight hugely. Ensure you add new veggies in slowly.
One tablespoon of pellets - 5% of daily food intake. Always keep limited. It’s the expendable part of the diet.
So guinea pigs won't be eating the veggies if they are full right? Because I see my guinea pigs always just finishes the veggies I give them everytime in a short amount of time, so I'm concerned if they just eat whatever they find because in nature it would be hard for them to always find food so they prob eat wtv they find? If my guinea pigs are not hungry they won't eat the veggies I give them right?
 
I'm not sure any of mine have ever achieved a state of "not hungry" :))

Joking aside, the guidelines you've been given have taken these things into account and find a good balance between them. You'll likely find that whatever veg you give them will be eaten over the course of the day, but the cup of veg recommendation shouldn't lead them wrong in terms of hay consumption and gut health. 👍🏻
 
I'm not sure any of mine have ever achieved a state of "not hungry" :))

Joking aside, the guidelines you've been given have taken these things into account and find a good balance between them. You'll likely find that whatever veg you give them will be eaten over the course of the day, but the cup of veg recommendation shouldn't lead them wrong in terms of hay consumption and gut health. 👍🏻
Apparently it said you should feed 1cup(8 oz) of vegetables per pig per day, which scares me a little, as one guinea pig is prob 1kg, and 8 oz would be like 1/5 of their weight, that's a lot of vegetables, plus they have hay to eat too, which would make it a lot of food
 
I'm not sure any of mine have ever achieved a state of "not hungry" :))

Joking aside, the guidelines you've been given have taken these things into account and find a good balance between them. You'll likely find that whatever veg you give them will be eaten over the course of the day, but the cup of veg recommendation shouldn't lead them wrong in terms of hay consumption and gut health. 👍🏻
internet also says guinea pigs only eat 3 oz of hay per day, and that would be 80% of their diet, so whaaaaat...
 
Apparently it said you should feed 1cup(8 oz) of vegetables per pig per day, which scares me a little, as one guinea pig is prob 1kg, and 8 oz would be like 1/5 of their weight, that's a lot of vegetables, plus they have hay to eat too, which would make it a lot of food

How much a cup of veg weighs can vary significantly depending on the veg you have in there and how tightly you’ve packed it in. The example plate is handy for giving you a sense of the recommended proportions 👍🏻 In our household, a cup of our mix of veg is more like 2oz due to bulky but light leafy greens.

I wouldn't overthink it - you've found a horror story from your friend, but it's not the experience of most owners from what I've seen. Up the amount gradually, introducing new types slowly, avoiding the calcium- and sugar-heavy kinds as recommended, and you'll find what works for you. There is quite a bit of tolerance in the range.

internet also says guinea pigs only eat 3 oz of hay per day, and that would be 80% of their diet, so whaaaaat...

Internet says lots of things, mate - you've come here for our advice based on decades of ownership and thousands of piggies, which you've had. I'd personally be wary of any site trying to give a set figure for hay consumption, though.
 
1 cup = 8 fluid ounces, but veggies aren't water ... so no, 1 cup of veggies is not 8 ounces of weight. Fluid ounces are a measure of volume, as are cups; ounces and pounds are measures of weight and will be impacted by density. One cup of rocks and one cup of packing peanuts take up the same amount of space, but they do not weigh the same, as the rocks are much denser. A 3 pound bag of hay is much bigger than a 4 pound bag of sugar.
This is a 3lb (48oz) bag of timothy hay, an 20oz bag of meadow hay, and a 5lb (80oz) bag of pellets ... the hays have similar density, but the pellets are much denser, this come in a smaller bag despite being the heaviest. The pellets lasted A LOT longer than the hay. I'm constantly buying my girls hay; pellets go on the list when I see the bottom of the bag to be bought when convenient.
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In other words, you're comparing apples and oranges ... it doesn't compute because it shouldn't.


The site talking about an amount of hay may have been estimating for cost or purchasing projections (how much to buy, what to budget, etc.). If I were estimating 3oz of hay per piggy, that would mean the bags shown would last my two girls about three weeks, which is too long ... if I had to estimate, I'd guess more like 5oz per day per pig on average based on how much hay I buy, but I would never limit them. There is no reason to limit guinea pigs' hay.
 

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How much a cup of veg weighs can vary significantly depending on the veg you have in there and how tightly you’ve packed it in. The example plate is handy for giving you a sense of the recommended proportions 👍🏻 In our household, a cup of our mix of veg is more like 2oz due to bulky but light leafy greens.

I wouldn't overthink it - you've found a horror story from your friend, but it's not the experience of most owners from what I've seen. Up the amount gradually, introducing new types slowly, avoiding the calcium- and sugar-heavy kinds as recommended, and you'll find what works for you. There is quite a bit of tolerance in the range.



Internet says lots of things, mate - you've come here for our advice based on decades of ownership and thousands of piggies, which you've had. I'd personally be wary of any site trying to give a set figure for hay consumption, though.
Thank you for your response! I increased their veggie weight to 80g a day for two pigs, It's like a sauce-free salad with 15g lettuce, and 65g of bell pepper+cucumber+carrot. I also hand feed them so the piggies would have about the same amount of veggies, surprisingly they just hesitates for 10 seconds before eating from my hand, which would be the same if I just put it down near them. They almost have no problem with me near the cage at all, when I walk towards the cage they might run away for a few seconds, but then they just get back to what they were doing. (they just got here 4 days ago so I think they're pretty chill with humans)
 
Thank you for your response! I increased their veggie weight to 80g a day for two pigs, It's like a sauce-free salad with 15g lettuce, and 65g of bell pepper+cucumber+carrot. I also hand feed them so the piggies would have about the same amount of veggies, surprisingly they just hesitates for 10 seconds before eating from my hand, which would be the same if I just put it down near them. They almost have no problem with me near the cage at all, when I walk towards the cage they might run away for a few seconds, but then they just get back to what they were doing. (they just got here 4 days ago so I think they're pretty chill with humans)

Please please look at the guide I linked in. It gives a sample of the amounts for each safe daily veg. One small slice of bell pepper each is enough.
Please don’t go by weights of veggies, their densities will knock it out so much. Please just full a cup measure with a variety of leafy veg and herbs (coriander is safe for daily, parsley is not safe for daily), some cucumber and some bell pepper

Carrot must not be given every day as it is far too high in sugar. If given a lot if can can lead to overgrowth of the wrong kind of gut bacteria which can upset their digestion and cause soft poops. Its also like feeding them a chocolate bar every day - it’ll lead to unhealthy weight gain.

internet also says guinea pigs only eat 3 oz of hay per day, and that would be 80% of their diet, so whaaaaat...

Frankly, what you are reading on other sites about hay amounts is rubbish! You absolutely cannot put a weight on the amount of hay they eat!
They need huge amounts of it every day - for food, for playing in, laying in etc - Just throw a big handful in loose in the cage floor and let them have fun with it!


So guinea pigs won't be eating the veggies if they are full right? Because I see my guinea pigs always just finishes the veggies I give them everytime in a short amount of time, so I'm concerned if they just eat whatever they find because in nature it would be hard for them to always find food so they prob eat wtv they find? If my guinea pigs are not hungry they won't eat the veggies I give them right?

You are over thinking this and making it more complicated than it needs to be.

Guinea pigs are never full, they are appetites with fur, they are always hungry and they need to be constantly eating. They need to eat a lot of hay but they will still also eat all their vegetables every day. If you stick to the one cup of veg, then they will be getting what they need while still eating plenty of hay. If you consistently underfeed veg, then they will eat more hay to compensate (which Is good) but they may then be losing out on the micronutrients from not getting enough veg. This is why the guide gives a good nutrient balance and all you need to do is follow it.
Not once in 35 years of small animals keeping have my healthy animals turned down their veggies! If they do I immediately become concerned for their health and switch to daily weight checks and get the vets number prepared!

As soon as the veg goes in their cage my two run straight over and eat almost all of it straight away. They may leave their less favourite bits for later. They then go and eat some more hay, rest, eat more hay, rest, finish the veg and continuing with the cycle of eating hay and resting!

They go on a normal adult diet from when they are weaned at three weeks of age so at 8 months old, you really don’t need to be worrying.

Just stick to the guides we are providing and your piggies will be absolutely fine, it’s how we feed our piggies on the forum and there was any problem with our guides then all the forum piggies would be unwell.
 
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This list below and the picture is a typical day of veg for just one of my guinea pigs. I made their portion by eye using a one cup as a rough guide as I do every day.
I categorically do not weigh their veg but have done so for the purpose of this post and the fact you are mentioning weights. Please just use a cup measure and don’t worry about weighing anything.
Everything here will now be doubled so they both get about the same amount.

Pepper - 17g
Cucumber - 25g
Lettuce - 16g
Coriander - 8g

This is the daily amount of approx one cup for one pig - 65g. Its not always going to be exactly this amount as I do it by eye.
So I get through roughly 110-130 of veg per day.

in addition to this they have a mix of meadow and timothy hay topped up twice but sometimes needed four times a day. They are also grazing on the lawn. Even at this time of year and now I’m back at work, they are still getting about four hours of grazing time. While they are on the lawn, they still have hay available to them and will still eat hay even while they have access to grass.

This is how they have been fed every day for over four years. They are very healthy, have good heft and stable weights with high hay intake. Equally I have kept small animals for 35 years and have always followed similar guides. (I’ve primarily kept rabbits to the quantities are very slightly higher for them)

While you don’t want to suddenly add a lot of veg into their diet if you don’t know if they are used to it, you do need to build it up carefully, but you also don’t need to worry quite like you are.
 

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Forgot to mention, if my girls reject a veggie it means "You dummy, I don't like that veggie. Go get me something I like." They will take half a bite, turn their nose up at it, and go back to begging. (They dont like arugula/rocket, thyme, or some other herbs.) So long as it is an "approved" veggie, it will be devoured quickly; one of my girls will sometimes leave her lettuce rib or something for later, while she has pellets or some hay, but it'll be gone the next time I walk through.
 
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