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I am unsure what to do.. six weeks ago i seperated my piggies for fighting and put them in their own cage and things settled down but I always put their runs side by side when there execising and there have seemed pleased to see each other but the still rumbling at each at first and then stops. Today when putting them in the run there were both going mad at the run trying to get at each other not in a bad way but as if there wanted to play together as there where both popcorning at the same time.

I so wanted to put them back in the same run..is this a good idea or am i just wishful thinking that there would be friends or just fight again?

Ideas anyone?
 
Jacs said:
I am unsure what to do.. six weeks ago i seperated my piggies for fighting and put them in their own cage and things settled down but I always put their runs side by side when there execising and there have seemed pleased to see each other but the still rumbling at each at first and then stops. Today when putting them in the run there were both going mad at the run trying to get at each other not in a bad way but as if there wanted to play together as there where both popcorning at the same time.

I so wanted to put them back in the same run..is this a good idea or am i just wishful thinking that there would be friends or just fight again?

Ideas anyone?
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In most cases once blood has been drawn they won't re-bond but there are always exceptions.
You know your boys the best & if you think they may re-bond then try them together as you will know the warning signs to look out for. :)
 
I have decided that it is probably not a good idea to let them play together at the moment, it was nice seeing them enjoying each others company with the divide down the middle but having thought about it more there is still alot of rumbling going on so probably still too many hormones involved who knows maybe down the track a introduction might happen but for now i need to sensible.

Thank you Niki for your advice.
 
Sounded like a good idea so i did try i held Freddie and my dad had Charlie, Charlie got excited he was the more dominant of the two but Freddie got very nervous so i decided not to take it any further, i am not going to stress either of them out. I probably got carried away but I now know I will wait till hormones have settled down a bit.
 
Jacs said:
I am unsure what to do.. six weeks ago i seperated my piggies for fighting and put them in their own cage and things settled down but I always put their runs side by side when there execising and there have seemed pleased to see each other but the still rumbling at each at first and then stops. Today when putting them in the run there were both going mad at the run trying to get at each other not in a bad way but as if there wanted to play together as there where both popcorning at the same time.

I so wanted to put them back in the same run..is this a good idea or am i just wishful thinking that there would be friends or just fight again?

Ideas anyone?
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First I must say that they don't class each other as "friends", they're only social in the sense they need to feel protection from a pairing or herd. They're a selfish animal that don't like to share and will hide behind their cage-mate for fear of being caught by their owner.

Anyway, I had to separate 2 of my boys who are brothers (born 2008 ), about a year ago because Oliver bit Todd's nail clean off at the toe and Todd bit Oliver's chin quite badly too so I've not even attempted to put them back together again for their own safety. Not knowing if they drew blood on each other and not knowing their age, its hard to say if yours would get on again or not. You'd have to research into piggy body and vocal language to understand what they're saying to each other because we can't help really unless you know what's going on.

It's very easy to become over-emotional and imagine something drastic is happening when its not. I put Oliver with my 9 month old lone pig, Robin, about a months ago, because Robin lost his cage-mate last October and had a skin problem for a while so I let his skin heal before trying him with Ollie. I put Ollie in Robin's hutch and they had a sniff and a rumble and I thought I'd be able to leave them together until I heard very hard, loud, aggressive teeth chattering and Ollie's fur began to stand up on end, so I removed him straight away.

If you end up wanting to again (just read your last comment about it) and you know know which is the more dominant, stick the other one in that one's cage without being cleaned out. The submissive boar needs to know who's "boss" so to speak, and if they are nervous and submissive, it makes it even more easier because they shouldn't put up a fight. Stay with them, don't become erratic, don't talk to them (they don't understand anyway) and don't try to touch them unless, like I said about my boars, you hear hard teeth chattering, and if they have smooth fur it'll be easier to see if their fur stands up on end.

It's not the end of the world if they don't get along, as long as their cages are near each other and they're safe and content, that's the main thing.
 
lilmisscavy said:
First I must say that they don't class each other as "friends", they're only social in the sense they need to feel protection from a pairing or herd. They're a selfish animal that don't like to share and will hide behind their cage-mate for fear of being caught by their owner.


It's very easy to become over-emotional and imagine something drastic is happening when its not. I put Oliver with my 9 month old lone pig, Robin, about a months ago, because Robin lost his cage-mate last October and had a skin problem for a while so I let his skin heal before trying him with Ollie. I put Ollie in Robin's hutch and they had a sniff and a rumble and I thought I'd be able to leave them together until I heard very hard, loud, aggressive teeth chattering and Ollie's fur began to stand up on end, so I removed him straight away.

If you end up wanting to again (just read your last comment about it) and you know know which is the more dominant, stick the other one in that one's cage without being cleaned out. The submissive boar needs to know who's "boss" so to speak, and if they are nervous and submissive, it makes it even more easier because they shouldn't put up a fight. Stay with them, don't become erratic, don't talk to them (they don't understand anyway) and don't try to touch them unless, like I said about my boars, you hear hard teeth chattering, and if they have smooth fur it'll be easier to see if their fur stands up on end.


It's not the end of the world if they don't get along, as long as their cages are near each other and they're safe and content, that's the main thing.
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Firstly I know Piggies are not "friends" as in humans are "friends I use the term as I prefer it to cage-mate.

Can I just say maybe I am over emotional where my piggies are concerned as they mean alot to me, also I have seen the damage what two fighting piggies can do to one another so maybe me being worried about these two boys fighting is jusifided when my pervious piggie lost half his ear in a fight when another boy ripped it off.

No it is not the end of the world if my piggies do not get along but I would like to give it my best shot that there could be come "cage mates" again. I don't want to just give up on them.

I asked for advice on if it maybe a good time to try and put the piggies back together or not what would you all do but to be honest and it maybe how I have read your email but i found the tone slightly patronsing.
 
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Jacs said:
Firstly I know Piggies are not "friends" as in humans are "friends I use the term as I prefer it to cage-mate.

Can I just say maybe I am over emotional where my piggies are concerned as they mean alot to me, also I have seen the damage what two fighting piggies can do to one another so maybe me being worried about these two boys fighting is jusifided when my pervious piggie lost half his ear in a fight when another boy ripped it off.

No it is not the end of the world if my piggies do not get along but I would like to give it my best shot that there could be come "cage mates" again. I don't want to just give up on them.

I asked for advice on if it maybe a good time to try and put the piggies back together or not what would you all do but to be honest and it maybe how I have read your email but i found the tone slightly patronsing.
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I am very down to earth in my daily life, when it comes to my pigs I do become a nervous wreck and over emotional. Like you Jacs all I want is my pigs to be happy and healthy with a companion. That isn't wrong, I cried buckets when my pairings failed.

A tad OTT I know but I had such high expectations that they couldn't not get along :)). Sometimes we need to step back, if you think its possible they may work then try theres no harm keep a towel handy, see what happens.

This is one of my failed introductions, these pigs never did live together. This was a boy/girl pairing.

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This is what you don't want :)).

Most importantly good luck with whatever you decide.
 
I am really sorry your introductions didn't work it is really sad and thank you for the good luck wishes :-)

I know my boys are probably not going to be friends again but I would like if the right time comes along to try and reintroduce them again when hormones have settled, if that time doesn't come then so be it, but i would like to try if i can. If it doesn't happen I won't be upset as thats life and things never always go the way we want. But i am emotional were my piggies are concerned and I am proud of the fact that I am because there mean alot to me.

Yes I will always have the towel handy I have made the mistake before with a previous piggie of just using my hands to pull them apart although i wasn't expecting them to fight i had alot of cuts to my hands but i was more worried about the piggies.
 
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flips said:
I would wait until they're a bit older and more settled. They still have plenty of growing up to do. :)
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Yes I am in the same thinking, i had a moment yesterday and thought maybe should I try but no I really think the hormones really need to settle down. Thanks.
 
I had to separate my boys as they drew blood a few times, afterwards I'd put them in neutral territory and someone suggested using lavender oil to throw a different scent, I did this everyday for 2 weeks.
They were fine but once back in a hutch (which had been clened, dissinfected etc toys & food moved about) they drew blood again, everytime it was the younger male.
So now they live side by side, I wish they could go back together but it's not possible with these two.
Hope you can sort something out with yours x
 
Thats sad you couldn't get your piggie back together but at least they can live side by side and be happy.

Thank you, I will just see what happens when or if the right time arrives but looking at them charlie still rumbles alot at Freddie so I want him to calm down alot first.
 
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