Advice needed, pigs not compatible?

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Hi there, we are new to the forums and are seeking some advice! Sorry for the long post, we just wanted to include everything to give a better understanding of what's happening.

We have 2 male guinea pigs aged around 10months who we have had since they were 9 weeks. They live in a 160cm x 120cm indoor custom built house and have access to an equal sized run attached to their main house. They have 2 of everything and get lots of attention from us. They have never been 'best friends' they generally just seem to tolerate one another. Arlo is the dominant pig, he always wants to know what's going on whereas Otto is quite happy pottering around doing his own thing. Over the past few months there has been mild teeth chattering, Arlo chasing and rumble strutting at Otto but Arlo always let's Otto eat and drink in peace and leaves him alone when he's sleeping.

On Tuesday they had a major scuffle, I went over as soon as I heard all the commotion, they were both very loudly teeth chattering and I saw that Otto's foot was bleeding and he was limping. I called the vet who made me an appointment for the afternoon. I kept Otto apart from Arlo for about half an hour and monitored them until we took Otto to the vets. There was mild chattering but otherwise they were sharing their main house with no problems. The vet checked Otto over and he had 2 cuts on his foot one of which she said was definitely a bite mark. He's on medication for a week now and I asked whether to separate them, the vet said to keep an eye on them as Otto needed to rest his foot but separate if Arlo kept chasing Otto around. Otto has been completely back to his usual self however they have been baring their teeth at each other the last few days with occasional chasing, and a lot of chattering. This is happening multiple times a day. Arlo also seems to be the one to back down when they are chattering at each other. We're not sure if they are trying to work out their heirarchy again?

However, today as I was cleaning out their main house (they were in the attached pen) they went flying at each other and were pinning each other to the floor. I managed to safely get between them and Otto went into the main house while Arlo stayed in the pen. We closed off the pen for about half an hour so they could cool down, Arlo wasn't happy and was trying to get to Otto but Otto was quite happy being on his own. They are together at the moment and have had a couple of moments of loud chattering at each other.

We are both back to work soon (been furloughed the last 2 months) and are concerned about another falling out happening and us coming home from work to another injury! Whereas the last 2 months we have been at home and able to keep a close eye on them.
We are changing their bedding to fleece this weekend (they are currently on woodshavings), which we are concerned may affect their behaviour as well as it will be a change for them.

We've read through the forum and the guides but still seem a bit lost as to what to do. We're not sure if this is usual teenage arguments but it all seems quite angry and they just seem to irritate each other. We have the space to divide their house and still have ample space for each of them. They would be able to see/smell/hear each other through the bars. We don't want to break them up if we don't need to, their relationship is causing us a lot of worry and stress as we just want what's best for them.

Please if any one has any advice we would be most grateful!
 
Welcome to the forum.
Sorry I can’t help but there are others who have experienced this behaviour, especially with boars.
Someone will along with help soon.
 
Hello and welcome.
Wow you have few questions. I'm no expert but like you I came on here to find out about piggies. Etc.
On here are fantastic guides about bonding etc. Go to top left and forums and info that will help.
 
I think you may have to separate permanently. When you separate them you have to only consider the underpig’s behaviour. Since he seems much happier that is a sign that their relationship is dysfunctional. Added on the fact they’re both teeth chattering and Otto doesn’t seem to be backing down. Have a read of the link below, but I'm not sure it’s going to work out.
Boars: Teenage, Bullying, Fighting, Fall-outs And What Next?
 
Hi thank you all for your replies.

Unfortunately they had 2 major fights last night, pulling each other to the ground, biting and hair pulling, so we made the decision to separate them. Arlo spent a lot of time pacing round the pen but Otto was content in his separate main house. It caused us a lot of stress late last night but we just can't risk another injury.

They both were squeaking for their breakfast this morning and both ate all their food. Arlo does seem to be wondering why he can't be near Otto but Otto is happy doing his own thing. They can still hear and see each other. They have water, plenty of hay, food and a hidey in each pen and things to keep them occupied. They will obviously still both get lots of attention, we just feel for their safety they need to be apart and be 'neighbours' instead of 'housemates'.
 
It sounds to me like you've made the right decision. If they are repeatedly physically fighting, it's probably not safe to keep them together. It's good that you can keep them where they can still see each other and interact in a safe way.
 
It sounds to me like you've made the right decision. If they are repeatedly physically fighting, it's probably not safe to keep them together. It's good that you can keep them where they can still see each other and interact in a safe way.

Thank you so much for your reply, we care about them both so much and just want what's best for them so even though we'd obviously love for them to live happily together we just can't see them being able to get on with one another without risking a serious injury. We were concerned that this would stress them out but we're hoping they will get used to their new living arrangements and learn to live happily as neighbours.

Arlo is having moments of doing his own thing then going to try and find Otto whereas Otto hasn't given Arlo a second thought at all. This is how they behaved when they were living together but now obviously Arlo can't actually get to Otto which we feel for their safety is the best option.
Thanks again for your reply.
 
It's hard. I had 3 piggies. 2 and 1 left after mate died. . They life and mine be wonderful if they got on. . But we tried twice and I so wanted them to get on. . . But nope. Fighting and a defo no.
They lived very happy next to each other and lol even kissed tho bars.
 
It's hard. I had 3 piggies. 2 and 1 left after mate died. . They life and mine be wonderful if they got on. . But we tried twice and I so wanted them to get on. . . But nope. Fighting and a defo no.
They lived very happy next to each other and lol even kissed tho bars.

Hi, I'm sorry to hear you had the same problem, it would definitely be easier for all involved if they could get on well together! So glad to hear that yours lived happily next to each other though! Thank you for the reply.
 
Hi, I'm sorry to hear you had the same problem, it would definitely be easier for all involved if they could get on well together! So glad to hear that yours lived happily next to each other though! Thank you for the reply.
Trust me I so wanted them together as they love company but was a big NO.
Seems piggies have other idea what they wanted lol.
 
Hiya I have also have had to separate my piggies due to one being bullied. He’s much happier now. They seem happy but I’ve noticed they still eat,sleep,drink and toilet in unison which I do find quite funny. They also lay next to each other with the bar in the middle. Not sure if it’s territorial or for the company.
It is a hard decision to make though.
 
Hiya I have also have had to separate my piggies due to one being bullied. He’s much happier now. They seem happy but I’ve noticed they still eat,sleep,drink and toilet in unison which I do find quite funny. They also lay next to each other with the bar in the middle. Not sure if it’s territorial or for the company.
It is a hard decision to make though.

Hey, thanks for your reply. Sorry you had to separate yours too! So glad they are happy though, such a relief. I've even noticed today they both come out their hideys at the same time to eat! They are both so calm and it's reassuring to hear that it's worked out well for others with the same problem. I guess it will take a bit of time for them to get used to it but a relief for Otto who always seemed on edge when Arlo got too near him! Although it was hard I think we've made the right decision x
 
They were laying together yesterday and I thought “how sweet” then I heard them both teeth chattering at each other😆
 

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I know, I thought it was sweet untill I heard them chattering away at each other😂 they even steal each other’s lettuce through the metal grids😂 inky is definitely saying “go away” on this photo x
 

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I’m so sorry you’ve had to separate your boys @lovepiggies! but it definitely sounds like you’ve done the right thing.

@Inky and cookie before I knew better I thought that piggies laying against the grids next to each other meant they missed / liked each other. However, sorry to say I know from hard experience that boars do this to boars, sows to sows, and neutered boars to sows, too and it’s just about exercising dominance and claiming ownership of their individual spots. They really are complex little terrors, aren’t they?
 
They certainly are. I wish I had found this forum before I bought them. I do feel bad that they don’t have a buddy each. I’m just deciding what to do next. As in leave them how they are or get them another friend from the rescue centre. I think they both want to be in charge x
 
Is keeping two boars cages side by side enough to keep them from getting depressed and lonely? I am going to be introducing a baby (he'll be 8 weeks) to my current (8 months) and trying to find a plan B if it doesn't go well.
 
Here are some helpful guides for you:
Behaviour and Bonding
Boars: Bullying, Fighting, Fall-outs And What Next?
Introducing And Re-introducing Guinea Pigs
Illustrated Bonding Behaviours And Dynamics
Dominance Behaviours In Guinea Pigs
Keeping guinea pigs side by side rather than in the same enclosure is not ideal. Not all boars will accept all babies. Do you know how old your other boar is? Is he still in his teenage months? When introducing them, please refer to the guides above, and do not interfere unless they are harming one other. Dominance is normal when introducing new pigs. The link to "Dominance Behaviors in Guinea Pigs" will help you to identify whether or not the bond will work out.
For now, do not stress. Think paw-sitively and hopefully, everything will work out for your boys. 🤞:luv:
 
Hello!

Is keeping two boars cages side by side enough to keep them from getting depressed and lonely? I am going to be introducing a baby (he'll be 8 weeks) to my current (8 months) and trying to find a plan B if it doesn't go well.

Well done for doing your research and thinking of a plan B before you go ahead.

In case of a failed bond most people do go down the route you are suggesting. In this case, it's important the the two piggies can see each other as well as hear and smell so that they can interact properly.

My only hesitation in your case is whether it might not be ideal for the younger 8 weeks baby? I'm not experienced enough with younger piggies to be sure. Since the original subject of this thread had now been answered, it may be worth your posting this question in a separate thread to catch the eye of a more experienced forumite and get some more opinions.
 
Is keeping two boars cages side by side enough to keep them from getting depressed and lonely? I am going to be introducing a baby (he'll be 8 weeks) to my current (8 months) and trying to find a plan B if it doesn't go well.

Keeping two boys next to each other if they don’t bond is the usual route to take. Being in adjoining cages will help prevent loneliness but of course it is not as good as actually living with another piggy. But at 8 weeks old your baby is very young to be alone in an adjoining cage if things don’t work out.

However, the bonding you are trying will have it risks because at 8 months old your older piggy is still in his teens and it is the hardest time to be attempting a bonding. It may well work out for the short term, your older piggy may accept the baby given he is a baby but once your 8 week old hits his teens (from 16 weeks), then hormones rise and this is when you may face problems.

Have you already committed to the 8 week old baby? If not, it may be best to consider having your 8 month old neutered, having his six week wait and bonding him with a female instead.
 
Is keeping two boars cages side by side enough to keep them from getting depressed and lonely? I am going to be introducing a baby (he'll be 8 weeks) to my current (8 months) and trying to find a plan B if it doesn't go well.
Please can you start your own thread, it's easy to miss as this is someone else's post.
 
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