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Wow ! Truly remarkable piggy you have with Moe. Prayers that he can put on some weight and keep it. Glad to hear his health is great.
Thank you so much! He truly is an enigma. I’m starting to feel like I have Munchausen by proxy or something. 😂
 
Another update on our sweet baby Moe. Since our out-of-state, test-everything, vet trip, he had been doing really well for about a month. Great eating, great pooping, great energy, gained 100g back. Over the past weekend, he went into stasis quite abruptly. We keep a really good eye on our pigs, check their cages multiple times a day for eating/pooping/drinking. Within a few hours, he was in severe stasis and we decided to hospitalize him overnight at our local ER vet.

Joining the long tradition of vets who look at Moe and cannot figure out how his x-rays, bloodwork, fecals, etc., all come back great and healthy, this vet listened to my concern that he potentially doesn't eat his cecal pellets. I say this because we have witnessed him bend over, grab them in the normal way, and then quite literally spit them out. He has done this multiple times over many months, and he also leaves cecal pellets in his cage mixed in with the regular fecal pellets (I'm assuming because they tend to be more stinky...). Anyway, I have mentioned this to a few vets and everyone has always dismissed me because it's just "not possible." This vet actually thought that this could be the cause behind all of Moe's problems! Nothing has shown up on any test, his health appears GREAT, his energy and zest for life are great, but then he has so many digestive troubles about once a month. She told me that the cecal pellets are mainly how they get their vitamin B, and she said vitamin B 1 and 2 are most important for their digestive systems. Although she did tell me not to get my hopes up, I feel like MAYBE we finally have an answer. She is currently looking into how to supplement vitamin B in guinea pigs.

My question is: has anyone ever heard of this? Has anyone had to supplement vitamin B for their pigs for any reason? How did you do it? I also know that this makes no sense that a pig would not eat his cecal pellets. However, I'm willing to chase down any lead to figure out why our sweet baby has so many digestive issues.
 
Another update on our sweet baby Moe. Since our out-of-state, test-everything, vet trip, he had been doing really well for about a month. Great eating, great pooping, great energy, gained 100g back. Over the past weekend, he went into stasis quite abruptly. We keep a really good eye on our pigs, check their cages multiple times a day for eating/pooping/drinking. Within a few hours, he was in severe stasis and we decided to hospitalize him overnight at our local ER vet.

Joining the long tradition of vets who look at Moe and cannot figure out how his x-rays, bloodwork, fecals, etc., all come back great and healthy, this vet listened to my concern that he potentially doesn't eat his cecal pellets. I say this because we have witnessed him bend over, grab them in the normal way, and then quite literally spit them out. He has done this multiple times over many months, and he also leaves cecal pellets in his cage mixed in with the regular fecal pellets (I'm assuming because they tend to be more stinky...). Anyway, I have mentioned this to a few vets and everyone has always dismissed me because it's just "not possible." This vet actually thought that this could be the cause behind all of Moe's problems! Nothing has shown up on any test, his health appears GREAT, his energy and zest for life are great, but then he has so many digestive troubles about once a month. She told me that the cecal pellets are mainly how they get their vitamin B, and she said vitamin B 1 and 2 are most important for their digestive systems. Although she did tell me not to get my hopes up, I feel like MAYBE we finally have an answer. She is currently looking into how to supplement vitamin B in guinea pigs.

My question is: has anyone ever heard of this? Has anyone had to supplement vitamin B for their pigs for any reason? How did you do it? I also know that this makes no sense that a pig would not eat his cecal pellets. However, I'm willing to chase down any lead to figure out why our sweet baby has so many digestive issues.

Vitamin B suplements are also recommended for boars with impaction who also do not eat their redigested poos (which is the impaction clump) for further breakdown. It is certainly an avenue to pursue in your mystery case.

I am very sorry about the sudden GI stasis - just so worrying, isn't it? :(
Something underlying is going on even if it is not showing up in tests.

Wishing you all the best and hoping that your vet can help. Unfortunately, I can't help you with suitable US brands - there are none for guinea pigs in any country anyway, so it is always a matter of finding the next best thing.
 
Vitamin B suplements are also recommended for boars with impaction who also do not eat their redigested poos (which is the impaction clump) for further breakdown. It is certainly an avenue to pursue in your mystery case.

I am very sorry about the sudden GI stasis - just so worrying, isn't it? :(
Something underlying is going on even if it is not showing up in tests.

Wishing you all the best and hoping that your vet can help. Unfortunately, I can't help you with suitable US brands - there are none for guinea pigs in any country anyway, so it is always a matter of finding the next best thing.
Thank you, as always, for your excellent advice! I did look up Vitamin B on the forum and read through some posts about impaction, so I’m glad to know Moe isn’t completely alone.

It’s definitely so terrifying. We’ve dealt with A LOT of stasis with Moe as we’ve been trying to figure this out, so I’m pretty good at not panicking and knowing how to pull him out of it. Nothing was working this time, and this is the only time the vet recommended he actually be hospitalized over night. So I’m a bit concerned that whatever is going on may be getting worse, but at least I have something to try now. Not having any course of action is maddening.

Although you said you don’t know a brand, do you potentially know if human brands tend to be acceptable? He’s got a recheck next week where we’ll discuss the vitamins, but I’m trying to develop a game plan ahead of time.
 
Thank you, as always, for your excellent advice! I did look up Vitamin B on the forum and read through some posts about impaction, so I’m glad to know Moe isn’t completely alone.

It’s definitely so terrifying. We’ve dealt with A LOT of stasis with Moe as we’ve been trying to figure this out, so I’m pretty good at not panicking and knowing how to pull him out of it. Nothing was working this time, and this is the only time the vet recommended he actually be hospitalized over night. So I’m a bit concerned that whatever is going on may be getting worse, but at least I have something to try now. Not having any course of action is maddening.

Although you said you don’t know a brand, do you potentially know if human brands tend to be acceptable? He’s got a recheck next week where we’ll discuss the vitamins, but I’m trying to develop a game plan ahead of time.
Check whether there is a small animal/rabbit product around but otherwise you are more likely to end up with a human product. You will however need the help of your vet re. dosages.

I can't help you as I don't have personal experience with impaction since all my boars are neutered. While the odd one develops impaction, neutered boars lack the cavity that is caused by the anal sac being stretched from the descended testicles (the sac shrinks again after the removal of the testicles) so the caecotrophs can still be expressed and there is not the build up of poo like in a full boar.
 
Check whether there is a small animal/rabbit product around but otherwise you are more likely to end up with a human product. You will however need the help of your vet re. dosages.

I can't help you as I don't have personal experience with impaction since all my boars are neutered. While the odd one develops impaction, neutered boars lack the cavity that is caused by the anal sac being stretched from the descended testicles (the sac shrinks again after the removal of the testicles) so the caecotrophs can still be expressed and there is not the build up of poo like in a full boar.
Thank you! We have a follow-up appointment next week, as he's currently doing well, to look into how to best supplement vitamin B for him.
You're making me rethink the importance of neutering them. lol
 
Thank you! We have a follow-up appointment next week, as he's currently doing well, to look into how to best supplement vitamin B for him.
You're making me rethink the importance of neutering them. lol
Unless you have a very good vet, it is very much a toss-up whether you want to deal with impaction or with the risk of the operation going wrong. It is only a minority of older boars that actually develop impaction after all.
Neutered / De-sexed Boars And Neutering Operations: Myths, Facts and Post-op Care
 
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