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7 year old Guinea pig and general anaesthetic

melsey3

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Hi Melanie from Southampton UK here! I really need some positivity here, but also some realism.

Today I took Panda (Aged 7) to the vets with suspected teeth issues! I knew it was bad, but didn't realise how bad!

His right and left Molars are completely crossing over at the back, meaning it is pretty much impossible for him to eat, and in the last week he has lost nearly 200g in weight, basically it will ultimately kill him, if I don't do anything, he may survive for a few more weeks, but it is not a good outlook.

His overall health is generally pretty good, his heart and lungs are fine, and he dosn't really have anything like arthritis, or sight impairment, but because of his weight loss, and age there is a huge risk that he may not make it through an op.

The vet said I had 2 options! One was to put him to sleep, and the other was to put him under anaesthetic, I asked her what she would do if it was her own pet guinea pig, and she said 100% she would take a chance on the anaesthetic, especially as in general he is in pretty good health. That was good enough for me, but I am really, really worried as he only has a 50/50 chance of pulling through, even with her positivity, but if it means he does get through it, he could have many months of life left in him! She said her biggest worry was the after affects of the anaesthetic, and getting his gut moving properly again, I have nursed some very sick guinea pigs in the past, who had the odds stacked against them, and have had more success stories than negative ones, but I am really scared.

I do feel his best option is to risk the anaesthetic, as I definitely don't think he is ready to leave our world yet, but I am convinced he won't be coming back, as have lost younger guinea pigs under anaesthetic before. I asked the vet to be completely honest with me, as I would rather have the full truth layed out in front of me, rather than false positivity, and she really does feel that it is worth taking the risk, she was absolutely lovely, and so kind and gentle when talking about Panda, and she said they would do everything they can to help him get through the procedure (sadly she won't be the one doing the op). I am dropping him off tomorrow night, but am so worried that I'm not going to see him again, and how his brother is going to cope without him. The vet suggested his brother stay in the hospital with him, so neither of them are stressed out! She said the procedure should only take about 20 minutes.

Can anybody give me any success stories about their old 7 year+ piggies going under anaesthetic? I really need some reassurance right now! I am very aware of the risks, but think I would rather him fall asleep under the anaesthetic, than him having to have an injection which he will be very aware of to euthanise him, especially as he still wants to live! I feel that if he is meant to survive he will, and if he dosn't it's his time.

Many thanks!
 
Hi Melanie from Southampton UK here! I really need some positivity here, but also some realism.

Today I took Panda (Aged 7) to the vets with suspected teeth issues! I knew it was bad, but didn't realise how bad!

His right and left Molars are completely crossing over at the back, meaning it is pretty much impossible for him to eat, and in the last week he has lost nearly 200g in weight, basically it will ultimately kill him, if I don't do anything, he may survive for a few more weeks, but it is not a good outlook.

His overall health is generally pretty good, his heart and lungs are fine, and he dosn't really have anything like arthritis, or sight impairment, but because of his weight loss, and age there is a huge risk that he may not make it through an op.

The vet said I had 2 options! One was to put him to sleep, and the other was to put him under anaesthetic, I asked her what she would do if it was her own pet guinea pig, and she said 100% she would take a chance on the anaesthetic, especially as in general he is in pretty good health. That was good enough for me, but I am really, really worried as he only has a 50/50 chance of pulling through, even with her positivity, but if it means he does get through it, he could have many months of life left in him! She said her biggest worry was the after affects of the anaesthetic, and getting his gut moving properly again, I have nursed some very sick guinea pigs in the past, who had the odds stacked against them, and have had more success stories than negative ones, but I am really scared.

I do feel his best option is to risk the anaesthetic, as I definitely don't think he is ready to leave our world yet, but I am convinced he won't be coming back, as have lost younger guinea pigs under anaesthetic before. I asked the vet to be completely honest with me, as I would rather have the full truth layed out in front of me, rather than false positivity, and she really does feel that it is worth taking the risk, she was absolutely lovely, and so kind and gentle when talking about Panda, and she said they would do everything they can to help him get through the procedure (sadly she won't be the one doing the op). I am dropping him off tomorrow night, but am so worried that I'm not going to see him again, and how his brother is going to cope without him. The vet suggested his brother stay in the hospital with him, so neither of them are stressed out! She said the procedure should only take about 20 minutes.

Can anybody give me any success stories about their old 7 year+ piggies going under anaesthetic? I really need some reassurance right now! I am very aware of the risks, but think I would rather him fall asleep under the anaesthetic, than him having to have an injection which he will be very aware of to euthanise him, especially as he still wants to live! I feel that if he is meant to survive he will, and if he dosn't it's his time.

Many thanks!

HUGS

GA at this age is always risky; please see it as buying him a chance for a longer life in the face of an otherwise certain death. That is all you can do as a loving owner when you are confronted with one of these hard choices situations that can happen at any age. The outcome is out of your hands.
It is never easy and it never gets any easier. Follow your heart and put your piggy's wellbeing and welfare interests before your own fears of loss and you cannot go wrong, whichever way you decide to go and whatever happens because you have not failed them.

That said, my Hafren came just fine through the removal of a large burst cyst under observation (we were hoping that it would stay put in view of her advanced age) when it suddenly put on a growth spurt and burst while my piggy savvy vets were on summer holiday. Cancer fears because of its more unusual fleshy mantle and inclusion did thankfully not materialise but the removal was a bit trickier than expected. She was just one month short of her 7th birthday and lived for several months more until old age caught up with her. I know of more 7 year olds that have survived surgery.

However, it all depends on your individual situation; and how your boy can cope. Please prepare for the fact that your boy is likely not eating on his own post-op unless your vet is very experienced with piggy dentals.
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I have been mushing his food down, so he is eating a bit independently , just not as much as he should be. Thank-you for your story.
 
I’m so sorry for the position you’re in. It’s always a hard decision :( I’ve had an almost 6 year old given an anaesthetic for an eye removal surgery and Eliza sailed through. The way I look at it, if they die during surgery, at least they have had a chance. But whatever choice you make will be the right decision for your boy x
 
I don't have experience with a pig that age. But I have had to decide to put a piggie under GA when there were other health issues and it was risky.

I figured like what Claire said. We needed to take the chance because the only other option was putting her to sleep.

Best of luck ✨
 
Yea, I don't think Panda is ready to be PTS, as he is lively, curious, interested in the world around him, and good in so many other ways, and it would just stress him out, especially as we can't be with our pigs at this particular branch of vets yet. At least if he was to pass under Anaesthetic it would be peaceful. (it is in the vets and natures hands) all I can do is hope and pray he will come home to us.
 
Sorry for what you face. It sounds like you want to give him a chance.

Not the same, but I just had a 5 year old piggy diagnosed with end stage heart failure and PTS by a very experienced cavy vet, and 3 or 4 weeks before that, piggy had completely sailed through a brief GA. So with a very weak heart, the GA was manageable. (She'd had symptoms for months, the GA didn't cause the issues.)
Good luck.
 
My senior, estimated to be 6 or 7 years old, underwent eye removal survery in August. Everything went great and recovery was easy. I was scared of the high gpig mortality with surgeries/recovery but everything went better than imagined.
 
I send my best wishes to you and your piggie and hope for a good outcome. Whatever the outcome, you did your best and did it with love x
 
Fingers and paws crossed here!

My Minnie had her dental surgery when she was 7 years old. She pulled through, went on to recover and lived till almost 9 years old! I was very young back then and recalling how the vet held Minnie, kissed her and took her home with him to syringe feed her every 1h is something that'll always warm my heart.

Good luck, Panda!🐼
 
Sadly my little Panda had to be put to sleep thursday night! he deteriorated a-lot after the 2nd week of his procedure. His brother Patch is alone at the moment, and seems subdued and a bit sad. We have tried matching him with another boar, but it didn't go very well. We are going to try again with 2 boar pairs I have. Hopefully we will manage to get him matched up.

He's not used to being indoors, so am wondering if this could be causing him stress?
 
I am very sorry for your loss of Panda :( I hope you can match Patch up with one of your other boars. If you have recently moved him indoors, new sounds and smells could be causing him a bit of stress but he should settle in a day or two. He is more than likely still grieving for Panda and being indoors with you rather than being alone outside is much better for him. Now he has been indoors, remember not to move him back outside until next Spring as it is far too cold now and the extreme drop in temperature will be a shock to him
 
I’m so sorry you lost Panda. You did all you could to help him. Popcorn high gorgeous.
 
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